Is the label "neurotypical" meaningful?

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28 Sep 2010, 2:33 pm

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I would like to see the term NT disappear up its own fundamentalism.


It doesn't just refer to people who not on the spectrum. I have several bi-polar and ADHD friends who would argue that.


They aren't arguing loudly enough, for sure. The term was created by the autistic community to refer to people who are not on the spectrum. Every definition (e.g. http://www.google.com/#q=neurotypical+definition) refers to autism or Asperger's syndrome. Almost every search result containing NT is in the context of the autistic spectrum. The word in its usage is "not on the autistic spectrum".

But even if this horrible term did become widely adopted for "normal" people without a neurological "abnormality", it is still divisive and still undermines the dignity of all people who are neurologically atypical.


Does it? I just see it as a quick way of referencing a statistical group of people, anything else is getting into fluffy talk that means little to me.



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28 Sep 2010, 6:51 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
How does Neurokinky sound?


I'm enough of a Kinks fan that I think its kind of cool 8) I'm now an NK :D



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28 Sep 2010, 8:52 pm

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Maybe we need a term neuroquirky. For those of us who are different and believe that difference is (at least) partly innate, without regards to whether or not that difference is a disorder with a fancy label or not.


Mysty, I am curious: your signature line states 'not as autistic as I used to be' Can you clarify.

As to the rest of this discussion: it's a very interesting one. I do think that all people are on a spectrum, and there are 'nt's' who have characteristics of the autism spectrum. It's interesting that it seems to be most meaningful for those in the autism community who wish to differentiate themselves from other NT's.

Does anyone have a counter-proposal? I do kind of like the term neuroquirkly :)


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28 Sep 2010, 9:55 pm

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Mysty, I am curious: your signature line states 'not as autistic as I used to be' Can you clarify.


Able to connect with others, where as once I couldn't. That's the short simple version.


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29 Sep 2010, 6:03 am

It is getting more and more difficult to find any word at all that isn't going to upset or offend anyone. If people didn't read so much into things and simply asked for clarification and got the facts before getting upset life would be so much more honest and easier.

Being so particular about words destroys conversations as people often stop others midway because the fear that the other person is saying something wrong. It is this kind of thing that often makes me nervous about mixing with [Please choose ONE only] normal or neurotypical or average or choose own preferred word.

Can no-one see how ridiculous it is to be so offended by every little thing?

Can no-one ever just accept another person and their little foibles without imaging some inner hatred and evilness within them?



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29 Sep 2010, 7:10 am

Yes, exactly. It would be great if people would stop assuming that simply using a descriptive word for someone means that you're implying a great deal more than the word actually means. The only reason "neurotypical" exists at all is that "normal" is still such a loaded word. I wish we didn't have to make up new words to avoid all the connotations, but right now it seems like if you're going to say "normal", then you'll have to drag along all the things that "normal" means in our culture--acceptable, not sick, nothing to worry about, socially mainstream, not crazy...

We could say "non-autistic" for people who aren't autistic, of course, and I still do that. But if you're going to talk about people who haven't got quirky brains, then your only real choices are either "normal", "neurotypical", or some longer phrase like "people who haven't got quirky brains".

I've facetiously used "normal" to describe NTs and had people call me on it and derail the discussion. I'd much rather just use "neurotypical" or "NT" and avoid all of that.


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29 Sep 2010, 4:11 pm

I wouldn't say normal is a loaded word. Just that, it's a word with a range of meanings. Neurotypical is more specific. That's why it's a useful word.

Not to say there aren't downsides to the word too.


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29 Sep 2010, 5:13 pm

"NT" is only useful if it's used in a way the listener understands and agrees with.

The problem with the term is that some use it only to mean anyone that is not on the Autistic spectrum. That usage would mean that someone who is ADD, ADHD, or any other DX, but NOT DX'd with anything specifically on the Autistic spectrum is "NT."

Some tough, use it to mean only people who do not have any neurological or psychological diagnosis.

So it can be confusing if you use it one way, and your listener interprets it differently. It is important to be clear how you mean it.

The same sort of problem happens with the term Autistic. Some only use the term to describe severe Autism, and don't consider mild Autism or Asperger's as Autistic at all.

It's a problem with many other terms as well that have nothing to do with Autism.

We aren't the only ones with this type of communication problem. Unfortunately, it's all too common.


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30 Sep 2010, 4:00 am

MrXxx wrote:
Some tough, use it to mean only people who do not have any neurological or psychological diagnosis.


It is a big problem that the term is so undefined - many people with psychological diagnoses are entirely neurotypical. Most people with atypical neurology (real neurological diagnoses Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's, etc) have features that don't even relate to the autistic / NT divide.

Mostly "NT" is a way of saying "Not one of us".



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30 Sep 2010, 4:04 am

Sometimes it is.


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