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richardbenson
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12 Nov 2010, 2:24 pm

yeah I feel that way sometimes. especially when it doesnt seem like i'm develouping any freaking social skills right for a person my age :pig:


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12 Nov 2010, 10:12 pm

I can relate to you in so many ways. I dont like to party, I dont like drinking, and I dont like getting high, but to this very day, I do these things because it is acceptable (I dont get high anymore though), and if I dont, then I suffer ridicule and social alienation. This is just the reality of the situation. However, should you ever find people that are truly like you and enjoy the things you do, then by all means, hang with them.

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13 Nov 2010, 12:07 am

nathang wrote:
I can relate to you in so many ways. I dont like to party, I dont like drinking, and I dont like getting high, but to this very day, I do these things because it is acceptable (I dont get high anymore though), and if I dont, then I suffer ridicule and social alienation. This is just the reality of the situation. However, should you ever find people that are truly like you and enjoy the things you do, then by all means, hang with them.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.


I'm so tired of faking to to fit in. Why can't society just accept me for who I am? If I conform, I lose my identity. If I'm me, I lose my value in society. How can I even call it a choice when there is always a bullet in the chamber?



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13 Nov 2010, 12:52 am

Pretending to be someone else and hiding your feelings will just give you psychological problems and physical symptoms in the long run. I used to try to be like people and it was a lot of work. I paid for it with severe social anxiety and anxiety attacks. I was in a low mood which made me not take care of my health.

These days I don't care if people know I'm weird. They call me emo and nerd anyway, so what's the harm with a few more insults are thrown at me?

Why would you even want an identity? A label? Eugh! I can't think of anything worse.

I drink and take drugs because of how they make me feel, not because everyone is doing it. OK, I don't take drugs anymore because the last time something horrible happened. And when people smoke I tell them how they'll die. But people are used to me.

I hope you find some friends who can appreciate who you really are, but first you need to be you.


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13 Nov 2010, 1:00 am

Doesn't this just describe me in my last two years of high school, when bullying ended and I began to seem to get along with everyone else better.

... And of course to wrap those two years up was a nice period of severe depression. Um... best of luck in avoiding anything. Hopefully you'll find the answers you're looking for.



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13 Nov 2010, 11:07 am

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I've gone through the same thing and still am to some extent. I'm also probably a few years older than you. Yeah, Aspergers sucks but all those fields of obsession can be used for good as well. Maybe you can make some money with it?

But yeah, I felt the same. Like I wasn't being myself when I was trying to be normal. I'm generally happier alone than socializing. If I could do High School over I wouldn't even want to have any friends.


Any advice you could throw my way? I've done so well in pretending to be normal that I've genuinely forgotten how to be me.



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13 Nov 2010, 11:27 am

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Everlong......perhaps it might be useful to see your life up until now as being not so much a lie, but one of survival. Try not to see anything false, phoney, or insincere in the way in which you lived.

You adapted well.......now you can learn new skills in order to live well.

Most of us aspies have a fluid sense of self and identity.

We have hidden behind many masks but of souls (used here in the broadest sense) have always been there.


Very well said. I have definitely mirrored other people as a means to get by in this world.. Then realized what I had been doing, and felt angry at myself. Like I cheated myself. Not just lying to others about who I am, but lying to myself about it as well. It's funny when I think about it.. How I drank to fit in with people that I don't even like when I'm sober. But just knowing that it's never too late to change and I can change my behaviors when I change my mind about what I want.. That is enough to make me feel better. It's not over. Every day is another chance to live the life you want.



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14 Nov 2010, 12:20 am

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IvyMike wrote:
Everlong,

I've gone through the same thing and still am to some extent. I'm also probably a few years older than you. Yeah, Aspergers sucks but all those fields of obsession can be used for good as well. Maybe you can make some money with it?

But yeah, I felt the same. Like I wasn't being myself when I was trying to be normal. I'm generally happier alone than socializing. If I could do High School over I wouldn't even want to have any friends.


Any advice you could throw my way? I've done so well in pretending to be normal that I've genuinely forgotten how to be me.
I might suggest that if you can't really remember who you were or are, as far as one's identity goes, then you could basically "start from the beginning" - which does involve starting off with "who am I: past, present, future, etc..." and working from there.

A lot of us, since we don't have the social skills that come as naturally as everyone else, we still have adapted to using said social skills but we don't feel ourselves as much anymore (as said earlier).



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14 Nov 2010, 12:35 am

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Any advice you could throw my way? I've done so well in pretending to be normal that I've genuinely forgotten how to be me.


You are who you are, and that will change many times over your life. You cannot make yourself into what you once were, because you are no longer that person. The most you could do is to change your mask, and pretend to be another person which is not you. Even though the new mask is who you used to be, it is no longer who you are.



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14 Nov 2010, 5:33 am

Everlong, I totally understand what you are talking about. Here is what I posted in the thread under social skills:


"Ultimately, however, I think it was spending all of that time with my Dad and being around the many social aspects of sports that allowed my to develop an alternate persona for myself that was pretty much 180 degrees different than I was feeling and wanting to act on the inside. This allowed me to navigate the world pretty much as an undercover aspie until much later in life. It was the internal tension between the "real" me and the "for public consumption" created by my intelligence and self reflection that finally led serious mental health consequences such as severe depression, very, very severe anxiety, mild OCD and self destructive behavior."

I am basically just like you. No one that I knew before the the last two years would believe that I had AS. Hell, my parents still don't really believe it.


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14 Nov 2010, 5:46 am

How to be you? Spend a day by yourself with your thoughts. Just allow all your thoughts to wash over you. Find out what your real interests are.

I used to hang out with indie kids then punk rock kids. The indie kids made fun of the music I listened to. They called me emo as an insult and the punk kids accepted me but they were just so outgoing it depressed me. I wasn't like that and hanging out with them was exhausting. But I spent a lot of time drinking with them and I didn't really know what I was really interested in.
Once I left all that I started to write my own sci-fi, collect Doctor Who merchandise, get into astronomy and teach myself physics and math.
I like to spend time alone dwelling on my thoughts. Sometimes they remind me to spend more time on an interest that I've been neglecting.


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14 Nov 2010, 6:08 am

The way I see it, the more friends you have the harder it is to be yourself.
I act differently towards different people I know. And if I were to be in a big crowd I'd put on my widely accepted social act. Not the who I want to be act. So I am more comfortable hanging out a few good friends. If you have a couple of good friends who accept you for who you are, it's easier to be yourself.



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14 Nov 2010, 11:58 am

I wanted to share a lttle bit from my latest book which I feel others here might connect with.


"In my case it was my diagnosis with high- functioning autism, an experience I now see as a moment of true enlightenment, which turned my life upside down and inside out, yet I felt great relief in finally being seen and understood at greater depth.

As I was sitting in the waiting room at Preston Railway station, waiting for my train home to London after my evaluation and subsequent diagnosis of autism, it occurred to me that the imagery of the 'waiting room' in the context of this memorable day was very rich indeed. For although completely on my own, I felt very much as if I was now sharing the waiting room with someone else who was a stranger.

This stranger was my hidden autistic self, whom I had never consciously met before, because I had disassociated myself from my natural orientation to such an extent, in order to protect myself from the daily humiliation of being unable to fit into society naturally.

Do we not all, autistic or non-autistic, to some extent at least, cast certain aspects of ourselves, parts of us we deem 'unacceptable', into the shadowlands of our subconscious? Many of us wake up sooner or later to a painful reality that we need in some way to claim back and befriend those parts of ourselves that we have deemed unworthy or too painful to face."



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14 Nov 2010, 1:10 pm

^
Nicely put. Are you writing a memoir?



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14 Nov 2010, 1:59 pm

In my early childhood I rocked, I bit, I stimmed and engaged in so many other autistic activities.
I grew up in hostility, I was neither safe at home nor safe in the world. I lived in fear all the days of my life… then part of me departed and came back as a warrior and there was but one statement declared… “I will get them!
I challenged myself to walk into my fears, into the various collections of people I encountered and to act their act better than they.
I became many people, as I walked across the neighbourhoods in my world I would be a different person to different people.
This was possible as a child but as I moved into adulthood this no longer worked or worked less over time.
Behind my various facades I fought to contain my anxiety… I was dizzy always… not sure if I would even be able to walk from one side of a room to another… a simple picture thought plunge me into overwhelm and dizziness.
As I entered adulthood I knew something was wrong with me, I was on the outside looking in, I felt separate from rather than part of. I suspected everyone except me had the special guidebook, the map book and the code book of life or at least this world. No one stepped forth to inform me of what I should say, act or do to be part of. Anxiety took on a dimension not previously felt. Everyone and everything became a daily challenge. I had a sinking feeling that this was not life, that I was not living, I was not actually doing anything really, just surviving and not thriving. I never felt at ease, secure or just simply ok and about to be exposed at any moment. I spent so much time manufacturing believable facades to stay safe, to fit in and somewhere along the way completely lost track of why I was even doing this in the first place.
Humour was always a fearful thing for me, intent, and inference was not understandable, it made no sense. it was as if these were cruel traps intended to expose me for the pleasure of the Neurotypicals. So I set about mastering humour and achieved this to a believable degree somewhere around 42.
I am now 58 and was diagnosed in January of 2009 I am changing, I am advocating for myself, I am saying NO, I am learning that it is ok to be me. I am learning how to be me. Thoughts are coming together in ways not previously experienced. I am learning every minute of everyday. I can no longer work despite working most of my life, getting married and raising two children.
So I do understand.


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Who I am on the inside is not who I project to the world. I've turned myself into who I want others to think I am, while suppressing the real me. On friday nights all I really want to do is stay in my room, but week after week I force myself to go out. I drink more alcohol than is safe and turn into a fool; the crowd pleaser I always wanted to believe was the true me. But deep down I'm someone whom the world would not care for. The real me is abnormal, weird, different. The real me comes off as self-centered, rude, anti-social. The real me hates more than he loves. I doubt anyone would really savor the real me. Part of me wants to change, to eradicate what i've become. But 20 years is a long time to carry on living a lie. Who's to say that it would be wise to break free from its chains at this point? My parents will feel they have failed me. I'll end up isolated, alone. But that's all I really want. I want to be free from all of my social obligations. All of the pressure I endure on a daily basis wears heavily on me. I feel lost. Confused. Scared.

I've never been diagnosed with a mental disorder. No one who "knows" me would ever believe I typed these words. Yet I push back my true feelings. I keep myself encased in a shell and not a soul has ever seen my true colors. Its as if I were born into the wrong society. The wrong world. I must be the one puzzle piece that just doesn't fit. I'm different, and that scares me. I want so much to be like everyone else. To live carefree and feel that I truly belong.

This day had to come eventually. I've grown weary from the constant struggle of promoting myself. I feel like an overstuffed suitcase and my zipper is on the brink of giving out. But at this point, have the contents of the suitcase gone rotten? Is the true me damaged beyond repair, a battle-torn soul so irreparably changed? I'm not sure if I really want to find out.



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14 Nov 2010, 4:18 pm

Thank you.

My 1st book was autobiographical (A Painful Gift-The Journey of a Soul with Autism)

But this book is Called Something Inside So Strong and it is a philisophical daily reflection book for people in the autistic spectrum.