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Sallamandrina
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15 Nov 2010, 4:37 pm

Someone made a very good point in the other thread about this:

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I find it suggestive and disturbing that she had the clarity of mind to give him enough bleach to kill him, yet to drink little enough herself that she'd live; to call for help, thus further ensuring her own survival; and (presumably inadvertently) even reveal in that call that she'd murdered her son and "tried" to kill herself. She was making a distinction here, an excuse for her own survival - but if the voices told her to kill herself, why didn't she drink more bleach and wait to die instead of calling for help?


For similar reasons, I really don't buy the "she just loved him and was afraid to lose him" argument. But the social services are also responsible for this - they should have evaluated the situation better and removed the child before being killed in such a terrible way :(


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15 Nov 2010, 6:35 pm

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I can't read that. She killed him by making him drink bleach. That's horrible! I wish there was a way to send her to a prison for men as punishment.


I'm also hoping the same thing. Anybody who does that to their special needs child should be sent to a prison for just men.


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15 Nov 2010, 6:40 pm

why men? isn't this proof enough that women can be just as bad ?



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15 Nov 2010, 6:45 pm

This woman is only one of the many incapable adults out there that only bring me reasons why there should be a test for the rights to raise children and have a limited rights over people who are yet not considered financially independent and psychologically capable. If they don't pass the test and they show that they're literally incapable, then they shouldn't been given the rights whether they're adults or not. Sadly, this isn't gonna help much, but it's by far better than the age set-off.



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15 Nov 2010, 6:49 pm

ah, we're all just riddled with the complexities and flaws of our humanity.

tragic, but no evil at work here.



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15 Nov 2010, 8:23 pm

If there's evil in this case, then it's applied to how f****d up the world is.

Wouldn't really say she was evil, just troubled. Seems like a mild word to describe murder, but still. She wanted to kill herself. Maybe in that selfishness (if we automatically rule in the "suicide = selfish" theory) she tried to use some kind of logic and figure if she's going to kill herself, she doesn't want her son to be alone without a mother nor does she want him to be taken away, so if she's going to die, he's going to have to die; But suicide is not logical, so the whole thought process is distorted from the beginning. The schizophrenia obviously can't help the already distorted thought process.



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15 Nov 2010, 9:37 pm

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In a suicide note found at the home, she said she had killed herself and Ajit because they had been "scrutinised and hounded by social services". Another note requested the bodies of herself and her son be burned together.


So, yeah, this woman had already been investigated for being an inadequate parent. While this isn't a sure thing--plenty of decent parents end up investigated for all sorts of reasons--chances are this wasn't out of the blue. Chances are she had already been abusive in the past.


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15 Nov 2010, 10:18 pm

ediself wrote:
why men? isn't this proof enough that women can be just as bad ?
I assume the only difference between abusive women in a prison and abusive men in a prison is that male prisoners have dicks and are more likely to rape people. So in other words, the poster wants this woman to be sent to a place where she'll be repeatedly raped. Apparently that's how civilised people punish the criminally insane.



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15 Nov 2010, 10:30 pm

That's so sad. Poor kid. :(



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16 Nov 2010, 12:32 am

Sallamandrina wrote:
Someone made a very good point in the other thread about this:

theWanderer wrote:
I find it suggestive and disturbing that she had the clarity of mind to give him enough bleach to kill him, yet to drink little enough herself that she'd live; to call for help, thus further ensuring her own survival; and (presumably inadvertently) even reveal in that call that she'd murdered her son and "tried" to kill herself. She was making a distinction here, an excuse for her own survival - but if the voices told her to kill herself, why didn't she drink more bleach and wait to die instead of calling for help?


For similar reasons, I really don't buy the "she just loved him and was afraid to lose him" argument. But the social services are also responsible for this - they should have evaluated the situation better and removed the child before being killed in such a terrible way :(


I think this is utterly, completely specious. This user is assuming to know why this woman did what she did, interjecting thins he cannot possibly know about the woman's state of mind while ignoring all the evidence in the article that strongly supports she was profoundly distrubed. His reasoning is errorenous enough for me to call into qustion his own state of mind when he wrote that.

Have you tried to drink bleach? I haven't but I suspect I couldn't do it by my own volition, at least not drink enough to kill myself. Being psychotic doesn't mean you can so easily override your own gag reflex.

If she is so cunning, why did she admit openly she had been thinking about doing this for years? Seriously. She sounds very psychotic. It happens. It's a tragedy that her son died, but it's also a tragedy her mental health issues weren't addressed early enough or effectively enough to prevent this.



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16 Nov 2010, 12:38 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
j0sh wrote:
I can't read that. She killed him by making him drink bleach. That's horrible! I wish there was a way to send her to a prison for men as punishment.


I'm also hoping the same thing. Anybody who does that to their special needs child should be sent to a prison for just men.


Are you two sure you're Aspies and not just run-of-the-mill sociopaths? Sorry if you find that rude, but taking pleasure in entertaining cruel thoughts is sociopathic behavior and I think such comments are wholly inappropriate for this forum. Cruelty is cruelty. It's always unethical. Take your torture fantasies elsewhere please.



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16 Nov 2010, 5:57 am

Mercurial - I'm not saying she's not mentally ill, actually I can't imagine how someone who isn't could do something like that.

What I'm saying is that I can't believe she did it out of love. Why would she choose such a horrible painful death for her son - one that she couldn't go through with herself? What loving parent would think their child is better off dead than without them, while constantly refusing to cooperate with those who try to help?

I'm not one asking for her to be send to a male jail or anything similar and I do think she belongs in a mental institution rather then any kind of jail, but I think she a danger to her family and can't look at her son death as something that just "happened". And yes, it's a shame this wasn't prevented - as I said, the social services are responsible and should be held accountable for the way they handled the situation.


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16 Nov 2010, 7:56 am

Mercurial wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
j0sh wrote:
I can't read that. She killed him by making him drink bleach. That's horrible! I wish there was a way to send her to a prison for men as punishment.


I'm also hoping the same thing. Anybody who does that to their special needs child should be sent to a prison for just men.


Are you two sure you're Aspies and not just run-of-the-mill sociopaths? Sorry if you find that rude, but taking pleasure in entertaining cruel thoughts is sociopathic behavior and I think such comments are wholly inappropriate for this forum. Cruelty is cruelty. It's always unethical. Take your torture fantasies elsewhere please.


This x100000. Wishing rape and abuse on anybody is beyond the pale.


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16 Nov 2010, 8:10 am

Mercurial wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
j0sh wrote:
I can't read that. She killed him by making him drink bleach. That's horrible! I wish there was a way to send her to a prison for men as punishment.


I'm also hoping the same thing. Anybody who does that to their special needs child should be sent to a prison for just men.


Are you two sure you're Aspies and not just run-of-the-mill sociopaths? Sorry if you find that rude, but taking pleasure in entertaining cruel thoughts is sociopathic behavior and I think such comments are wholly inappropriate for this forum. Cruelty is cruelty. It's always unethical. Take your torture fantasies elsewhere please.


My reaction was harsh. It was the most horrible thing that I could imagine as a consequence for what that woman did. I read the story last night. I still think he punishment should be severe. Maybe not what I suggested, but still severe. She FORCED her son to drink bleach, waited until he died from it (that probably takes a while), took a sip or two herself, THEN she called for help (for herself; not for her son). She had been planning this for along time. If that's not premeditated evil, then I don't know what is.



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16 Nov 2010, 8:12 am

All I can say is have the mother feel pain more pain than she did to her son. Who knows if she abused him in the past.


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16 Nov 2010, 8:29 am

Mercurial wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
j0sh wrote:
I can't read that. She killed him by making him drink bleach. That's horrible! I wish there was a way to send her to a prison for men as punishment.


I'm also hoping the same thing. Anybody who does that to their special needs child should be sent to a prison for just men.


Are you two sure you're Aspies and not just run-of-the-mill sociopaths? Sorry if you find that rude, but taking pleasure in entertaining cruel thoughts is sociopathic behavior and I think such comments are wholly inappropriate for this forum. Cruelty is cruelty. It's always unethical. Take your torture fantasies elsewhere please.


Yeah...wishing that on someone, no matter how wrong they are, is just sick and twisted. This woman needs help. not additional trauma. D: