IQ tests shouldnt be referenced here by users

Page 2 of 2 [ 25 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

aghogday
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Nov 2010
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,924

30 Nov 2010, 3:40 pm

Here is a link to an interesting article, written by an author who designs IQ tests. I believe he has some compelling ideas and research about the associations of Aspergers to IQ and Genius, very pertinent to this discussion.

http://www.paulcooijmans.com/asperger/straight_talk_about_asperger.html



wavefreak58
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,419
Location: Western New York

30 Nov 2010, 3:55 pm

aghogday wrote:
Here is a link to an interesting article, written by an author who designs IQ tests. I believe he has some compelling ideas and research about the associations of Aspergers to IQ and Genius, very pertinent to this discussion.

http://www.paulcooijmans.com/asperger/straight_talk_about_asperger.html


You seem to like this guys site.

I found this rather disturbing

http://www.paulcooijmans.com/genius/inferior.html


_________________
When God made me He didn't use a mold. I'm FREEHAND baby!
The road to my hell is paved with your good intentions.


starygrrl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Apr 2009
Age: 46
Gender: Female
Posts: 795

30 Nov 2010, 4:57 pm

Janissy wrote:
starygrrl wrote:
I don't see the test as unfair, but a method to understand society, an individual and as a diagnostic tool.


They help as a diagnostic tool in that you can't apply a label of mental retardation or giftedness without them, and subtest scatter is one of the hallmarks of autism. I'm not so sure they help in understanding an individual beyond giving a reason for the alienation of the stratospherically smart. But as a tool to understand society? I think that is where IQ tests have done incredible damage. They have been used to justify racial and ethnic discrimination- something that their inventor Alfred Binet warned against (he just wanted them to be used to sort children for the fledgling field of Special Ed). The idea that some groups are just smarter and that's just how it is...based on IQ tests....is I think a horribly damaging idea and one that really should be scrapped as soon as possible. The idea that IQ tests have anything to say about groups and society is one of the 20th century's most evil ideas (other evil ideas predate the 20th century).


While I don't necessarily disagree with you from a historical standpoint, what I was talking about was strictly from an analytical one. I agree as a tool it has been misused when you are talking about using it to justify discrimination. I stress the word misused. I think though it has been properly used in understanding society when you are talking about more benign and beneficial purposes in understanding societal relationships. For example it can be used to find out the impacts of poverty and hunger on development. In fact this has been used as a way to advocate for school lunch programs for poor families. Point being like any tool, it can be both misappropriated and result in beneficial outcomes. I know his intent may have been limited, and his concerns were justified, but that is not to say there has not been benefits as well.



aghogday
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Nov 2010
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,924

30 Nov 2010, 5:00 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Here is a link to an interesting article, written by an author who designs IQ tests. I believe he has some compelling ideas and research about the associations of Aspergers to IQ and Genius, very pertinent to this discussion.

http://www.paulcooijmans.com/asperger/straight_talk_about_asperger.html


You seem to like this guys site.

I found this rather disturbing

http://www.paulcooijmans.com/genius/inferior.html


I also, find this disturbing. I did not read this article; thanks for bringing it to my attention. Although, I personally think his ideas about Aspergers, IQ, and Genius are compelling, I have a hard time judging anything or anyone as inherently evil. I researched further, and was surprised to find out he has Aspergers.



I



ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

30 Nov 2010, 5:05 pm

I think IQ tests do not really say anything too much about creativity and originality. Richard Feynman said he tested at 125 on a standardized IQ test. So much for IQ tests then.

ruveyn



anbuend
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Jul 2004
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,039

01 Dec 2010, 10:35 pm

IvyMike wrote:
Anyone who mentions their IQ score is egotistical and is compensating for something imo


Even if it's not a particularly high score?


_________________
"In my world it's a place of patterns and feel. In my world it's a haven for what is real. It's my world, nobody can steal it, but people like me, we live in the shadows." -Donna Williams


menintights
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 895

02 Dec 2010, 12:12 am

anbuend wrote:
IvyMike wrote:
Anyone who mentions their IQ score is egotistical and is compensating for something imo


Even if it's not a particularly high score?


The average IQ is assumed to be 100. Anything above that is "above average" and, in a way, "high."

I've never heard anyone brag about having an IQ of 99 or below.



Janissy
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 May 2009
Age: 58
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,450
Location: x

02 Dec 2010, 9:09 am

menintights wrote:
anbuend wrote:
IvyMike wrote:
Anyone who mentions their IQ score is egotistical and is compensating for something imo


Even if it's not a particularly high score?


The average IQ is assumed to be 100. Anything above that is "above average" and, in a way, "high."

I've never heard anyone brag about having an IQ of 99 or below.


Brag,no. But IvyMike said "mention". Many posters have discussed their own <100 scores as part of discussions about subtest scatter vs. full scale IQ and also about how some autistic people score low on common IQ tests yet are quite intelligent. I'm no fan of IQ tests (i'm ranting throughout this thread) but I think these discussions are important and I'm hoping they continue.



Janissy
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 May 2009
Age: 58
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,450
Location: x

02 Dec 2010, 9:14 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Here is a link to an interesting article, written by an author who designs IQ tests. I believe he has some compelling ideas and research about the associations of Aspergers to IQ and Genius, very pertinent to this discussion.

http://www.paulcooijmans.com/asperger/straight_talk_about_asperger.html


You seem to like this guys site.

I found this rather disturbing

http://www.paulcooijmans.com/genius/inferior.html


That is extrenely disturbing. It would be merely offensive but if this guy really does design IQ tests, I think this viewpoint is very disturbing. Hopefully the IQ tests he designs are just those silly internet ones and not real one. Hopefully.