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08 Dec 2010, 9:29 pm

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I'm actually fairly extroverted, although I haven't always been. My brand of extroversion isn't always received very warmly, however. I would personally guess that Asian cultures are more suited for aspies. Eastern cultures tend to make judgments of people based on their situation whereas western cultures tend to make judgments on your personal character. A lot of shamanistic societies find a place for people with autism, etc. often as shamans.


No, not really. I've lived on opposite sides of the world and I've come to the conclusion that people are the same everywhere.

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I'd say Japan would be a good place, since they value introversion and other solitary activities like meditation.


A lot people seem to think that Japan is a good place to be if you have AS, but this is true only if you're white. A Japanese with AS who has always lived in Japan won't necessarily have a better life than a native-born American with AS who has always lived in the U.S.--he just has to suck it up and try his best to appear normal for the sake of "family honor."



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08 Dec 2010, 9:31 pm

menintights wrote:
Shadwell wrote:
I'm actually fairly extroverted, although I haven't always been. My brand of extroversion isn't always received very warmly, however. I would personally guess that Asian cultures are more suited for aspies. Eastern cultures tend to make judgments of people based on their situation whereas western cultures tend to make judgments on your personal character. A lot of shamanistic societies find a place for people with autism, etc. often as shamans.


No, not really. I've lived on opposite sides of the world and I've come to the conclusion that people are the same everywhere.

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I'd say Japan would be a good place, since they value introversion and other solitary activities like meditation.


A lot people seem to think that Japan is a good place to be if you have AS, but this is true only if you're white. A Japanese with AS who has always lived in Japan won't necessarily have a better life than a native-born American with AS who has always lived in the U.S.--he just has to suck it up and try his best to appear normal for the sake of "family honor."


If you're going to be living in Japan for the rest of your life just being white wont be enough once you've been in a community for a while and everyone knows you.



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08 Dec 2010, 9:39 pm

Still, all your quirks will be attributed to your being white and people will be a lot more accommodating to you than to a Japanese who's guilty of the same quirks. They may be doing it consciously, or they may not. But that's what basically will happen.

(I'm going to add that this won't be true in places where there have been quite a number of white immigrants and where the young folks have been somewhat Americanized, but otherwise that's pretty much how I think it would be like.)

EDIT: After reading your previous post, I'm also going to add that it is assumed you know the language and the etiquette well.



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08 Dec 2010, 10:02 pm

I vote for Japan, though that is largely a guess.

I don't think that it's fair to lump America into one category. The mid-west is totally different than New England is totally different than Appalachia is totally different than Texas is totally different than Alaska is totally different than the west coast is totally different than the great plains region is totally different than the rest of the south.

I rather like living in Amish country in the mid western area of America. They tend to leave others alone, aren't very chatty, and very non-judgmental.



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08 Dec 2010, 10:07 pm

I guess I don't understand the question. Without actually experiencing other cultures, what frame of reference would I use to make a determination? And if I can't read social cues, isn't that culturally independent.


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09 Dec 2010, 8:07 am

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Well, were else could you buy woman's panties to smell from a vending machine? I be visiting the Czech Republic next month and will report back to you all.

Thanks! I'm thinking about spending a year there (or another Slavic country) when I finish school (probably teaching English,) so that would be appreciated :)

As for the thread, I can't really answer, having never left Australia (except one trip to Fiji.) My society is conformist, although there is some tolerance of eccentricity. I suspect we aren't really much different to America in this regard (self-depreciating jokes calling Australia "the 53rd state" aren't too far off sometimes.)


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09 Dec 2010, 8:39 am

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British people don't really chat to strangers in queues like Americans do, and basically they keep themselves to themselves.

I have never seen Americans do that. I heard that happens in certain parts of the south like Texas and Arkansas, but other places (I think especially New England) are all about avoiding eye contact with strangers and ignoring them as best they can. There are even stand-up comedian routines making fun of how much eye contact is avoided between strangers in certain American cities.



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09 Dec 2010, 9:08 am

I'm not sure about Scotland as a good culture match. I've found it a sufficiently difficult culture to live in that I wonder if others are better matches. That's the culture in general, but because I have the opportunity to meet a lot of Aspies on a very frequent basis then that's the best culture match if available.



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09 Dec 2010, 9:57 am

I've never experienced living abroad, so I just have some guesses.

I always thought that Japan and asian countries are better to aspergers, because of the introversion, politeness, and they see the life from a different prespective, not so self-centered. My experience with asians in my country tells me the same.

North america and specially south america are not easy to aspergers.
I think european countries are at some point in the center of the scale.
Middle east countries, I have no idea.

But there's one thing I think it's true, if you go to another country most of your awkwardness will be taken as a problem with language\culture adaptation, so will not be taken too seriously.


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09 Dec 2010, 11:25 am

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British people don't really chat to strangers in queues like Americans do, and basically they keep themselves to themselves.

I have never seen Americans do that. I heard that happens in certain parts of the south like Texas and Arkansas, ...


I live in Arkansas.
Random people will start talking to you and telling their life story and asking where you got your shoes at. It's called Southern Hospitality.... it's considered friendly.... but I find it annoying.

If you look busy then they'll be polite and not talk to you... so sometimes I act like I am doing something important on my phone or calling someone so that I can avoid 'forced familiarity' as I call it. They'll talk to you like they have known you your whole life. aaaaah


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09 Dec 2010, 11:32 am

I would kind of think that South Asian cultures would be good for aspies....
Place like India.

I've had many many Indian friends and I always felt oodles more normal around them.
You're not expected to talk to anyone really, unless you have common interests or goals. People are distant and don't force hugs on you.

I may have been more comfortable around them because they never had an American friend, so they never suspected my behavior to be odd... perhaps they just thought I was a normal American?

There are too many variables in figuring this out...there are so many behaviors and traits that differ amongst even us here on WP... maybe something that would make me feel more comfortable would make another person on here panic....

I would say any foreign culture would suffice. Because everyone would chalk it up to being that you're a foreigner, and that's why you're different.


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09 Dec 2010, 1:57 pm

The best cultures or countries for aspies are the ones that are smart, that's basically just how it is. Don't want to offend anyone but honestly Americans are usually not smart which makes America horrible for aspies to live in.



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09 Dec 2010, 2:10 pm

http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-ho ... imensions/

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National cultures can be described according to the analysis of Geert Hofstede. These ideas were first based on a large research project into national culture differences across subsidiaries of a multinational corporation (IBM) in 64 countries. Subsequent studies by others covered students in 23 countries, elites in 19 countries, commercial airline pilots in 23 countries, up-market consumers in 15 countries, and civil service managers in 14 countries. Together these studies identified and validated four independent dimensions of national culture differences, with a fifth dimension added later.


http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-ho ... nce-index/

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Hofstede’s Power distance Index measures the extent to which the less powerful members of organizations and institutions (like the family) accept and expect that power is distributed unequally. This represents inequality (more versus less), but defined from below, not from above. It suggests that a society’s level of inequality is endorsed by the followers as much as by the leaders.


http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-ho ... ientation/

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Long-Term Orientation is the fifth dimension of Hofstede which was added after the original four to try to distinguish the difference in thinking between the East and West. From the original IBM studies, this difference was something that could not be deduced. Therefore, Hofstede created a Chinese value survey which was distributed across 23 countries. From these results, and with an understanding of the influence of the teaching of Confucius on the East, long term vs. short term orientation became the fifth cultural dimension.


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Uncertainty avoidance deals with a society’s tolerance for uncertainty and ambiguity; it ultimately refers to man’s search for Truth. It indicates to what extent a culture programs its members to feel either uncomfortable or comfortable in unstructured situations. Unstructured situations are novel, unknown, surprising, and different from usual. Uncertainty avoiding cultures try to minimize the possibility of such situations by strict laws and rules, safety and security measures, and on the philosophical and religious level by a belief in absolute Truth; ‘there can only be one Truth and we have it’.


http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-ho ... sculinity/

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Masculinity versus its opposite, femininity refers to the distribution of roles between the genders which is another fundamental issue for any society to which a range of solutions are found. The IBM studies revealed that (a) women’s values differ less among societies than men’s values; (b) men’s values from one country to another contain a dimension from very assertive and competitive and maximally different from women’s values on the one side, to modest and caring and similar to women’s values on the other. The assertive pole has been called ‘masculine’ and the modest, caring pole ‘feminine’.


http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-ho ... vidualism/
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Individualism is the one side versus its opposite, collectivism, that is the degree to which individuals are integrated into groups. On the individualist side we find societies in which the ties between individuals are loose: everyone is expected to look after him/herself and his/her immediate family. On the collectivist side, we find societies in which people from birth onwards are integrated into strong, cohesive in-groups, often extended families (with uncles, aunts and grandparents) which continue protecting them in exchange for unquestioning loyalty.


I suspect the best culture for an Aspie will be a culture with high Individualism and high Uncertainty Avoidance; then (according to the tables in the links), the best Aspie-friendly countries will be:

Belgium
Poland
Japan
Argentina
France
Spain
Hungary
Israel
Italy
Czech Republic
Austria

(these are the countries where both Individualism and Uncertainty Avoidance are above average)



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09 Dec 2010, 2:35 pm

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I vote for Japan, though that is largely a guess.

I don't think that it's fair to lump America into one category. The mid-west is totally different than New England is totally different than Appalachia is totally different than Texas is totally different than Alaska is totally different than the west coast is totally different than the great plains region is totally different than the rest of the south.

I rather like living in Amish country in the mid western area of America. They tend to leave others alone, aren't very chatty, and very non-judgmental.


I agree, either that, or Europe.



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09 Dec 2010, 3:34 pm

Canada. No Joke.

I don't think Japan would be a good fit, they bullying is a major issue and there are other structural and social problems which are in place.



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09 Dec 2010, 4:03 pm

Costa Rican's/Hispanics and the Irish are very friendly, middle-easterners are supposed to be more hospitable than southerners, I hear Czechs are pretty reserved so a lot of aspies are probably drawn to it. All places have their good points but no place is miraculous.



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