Stay away from "disability schools"

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I didn't say that ADHD is a prerequisite for rape but a lot of these kids have been conditioned to believe that they are genetically conditioned to behave badly. ADHD is often used as an excuse for bad behavior so they do not learn from their mistakes as children.

I did not say all christian women dress like "slut" and perhaps I should have used a different term. But many women who are religious are also very fashionable.

My point is, rape happens everywhere. It shouldn't, but I don't think that the conclusion you've drawn is accurate. Rapists come from everywhere, you know? If an ADHDer commits rape, it's probably not because he was raised to think he could get away with everything because of his disability. It's probably because he grew up in the same society that produced all those other rapists.

I agree that crime can occur anywhere or that students with disabilities or poorly students are more likely to commit them, but as one reviewer suggested, many people go to these schools just because they want the college experience. I was referring specifically to the NON-DISABLED students these colleges attract more than the disabled students because they are attracted solely for their low admissions standards rather than for their support programs.

I am not knocking the idea of "disability schools," I just don't like the idea that sstudents with disabilities are being discouraged from attending mainstream, prestigious colleges in favor of smaller ones, where a large percentage of student body is disabled. Society can not segregate us anymore.

Sometimes people with AS NEED to be segregated for their own good though. I was put in mainstream education and it didn't work for me at all. I was bullied, attacked and set on fire at school. I was deliberately left out of all the activities at college. I haven't got the social understanding to attend university (college) and I would much rather go to a special needs college. Obviously, if you are lucky enough to be able to cope with mainstream, go for it, but if not then what are they meant to do?

What will guarantee that you will get along with other people with AS?

Does it matter whether I 'get along' with other people with AS? Besides the college I am going to is for ALL types of disablity, physical and neurological. As long as the correct support is there then liking the other people does not matter.

I think the point he is making is this....

1. Employers will be more impressed by your academic pedigree than your actual grades. This explains how idiots who went to an Ivy League school get so many opportunities over smarter people from unknown schools.

2. If an employer knows nothing about the quality of the school you went to, don't expect to be taken seriously if his/her experience with schools is that they pretty much hand people degrees for paying tuition. Lots of schools don't punish kids for not doing their best (academia as an institution is a lot more forgiving than the real world ever is), and this is why college degrees are not held in high regard anymore.

3. "Disability schools" have the worst of both worlds. Even a school that only caters to meeting the special needs of a disabled person but is academically excellent has a public perception that it is just a school for people who can't cut it in a regular school. Since the standards for accreditation are remarkably low (lots of poor schools are accredited), there is no hallmark of quality to convince people to the contrary.

Hence, if you can go to a traditional school that can swing sufficient accommodation for you to be able to hold your own with the other NT students, you should go there instead.

I agree with this position because life owes you nothing, and life is about overcoming limitation to achieve things.

No employer wants a person with a disability who has spent their life in a warm and comfortable environment that catered to their special needs. Real life does not do that, and someone who got straight A's in a school that custom-fit a program to their disability arguably won't be able to do the job in an environment where such accommodation will not be given.

While no person might condemn a man in a wheelchair for NOT participating in a marathon, most everyone is impressed by those who do. That is because they are not only doing something difficult for someone who is otherwise "able-bodied" but they are doing it in spite of a serious disability. They are true "overcomers." In contrast, nobody is really impressed when a man in a wheelchair pushes himself up a ramp.

My parents never let me wear shorts to Mass and claimed it was "disrespectful". I tried in vain to convince them how much they bothered me but they said I should make a sacrafice to God to prove how much I love Him. That kind of mentalatity makes me consider becoming an athiest. My parents wanted me to dress more feminine for Mass and wear the traditional woman's garb and wear a dress or skirt and a lacy doily thing on my head. I can't even wear hats because how sensetive my head is. I told my parents if I had to dress that way I would not go so we compromised. I always felt like I was going to Church/Mass to appease my parents as opposed to going to worship God.

People like the Duggars don't let their girls wear them but then they don't even let the boys wear them and I wonder why they don't just dress all their kids like Muslim females. Most fundemendlist Christians don't let girls wear shorts...most fundemendlist Christian schools don't even have so much as a vet tech program.

Fundamentalist Christian schools are not exactly mainstream. Is there a reason why you are looking at those types of schools?

Most of 'em aren't even accredited. Don't.

But they'll be least impressed by someone who doesn't have a degree at all because he couldn't get the accommodations he needed at an Ivy League school.

University of the Incarnate Word is a Catholic school. No reason really.

Last edited by PunkyKat on 27 Dec 2010, 11:58 am, edited 1 time in total.

Sad sick truth of society. Just saying since I am personally anti-school myself and I personally will never see a degree as an accomplishment or anything that shows skills.

As for the topic in hand, one must understand that people who got it worse are usually those who are under 18 these day and the HR 911 bill has already been proposed to reduce extreme form of abuses due to lack of regulations.

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excuse me? those schools only take those with disabilities they dont take people who just get bad grades yes there are some who are just "low acheivers" but they have to have a diagnosed learning disability to get in .

i went to a summer program at a disibility college and that was one of the best things ive ever done. i truly made friends i never felt so connected than when i was there. the only problem was when the summer ended most of us live so far away from each other that we cant get together much

One of my closest internet friends goes to a boarding college that is speficaly gearded twoards people with emotional and behavior problems. She describes it as a hellish expirence and would give anything to get out of there but if she leaves her parents will not support her anymore and threaten to put her in a group home.

There is good and bad in everything and it is for individuals to weigh up what is best for them. Forcing yourself to be "normal" and struggling to even pass may not be the best thing when you can do better in a more supportive environment. Finding a job is hard, and even harder if you have a disability, but employers care more about the individaul person than the degree they come with. Most employers only consider marks as one of the last things of a candidate unless they are applying for specific graduate jobs and most people with disabilities I know don't or couldn't. All the graduate specific jobs I am aware of, require full time work with heaps of overtime and high levels of stress, which is rarely suitable for a person on the spectrum.

The BEST friends I have are people with disabilities. That does not mean I will like all of them, doctors do not like all doctors, lawyers do not like all lawyers and bus drivers do not like all bus drivers, even though they are similar to each other and enjoy the same things!! I do not have any friends on the spectrum, because I am yet to meet any that I have anything in common with, but I am on the boards of many disability services, volunteer with a disability legal service and the like and I love every second it. Sure my academic abilities are such that I could work anywhere, get any degree, but socially I can't. I need to be able to work where people will accept me for me, for all my limitations and appecaite me for who I am. I am studying at a small mainstream college with supports and a great deal of diffiuclty but it is the only option I have, and I am lucky that I am able to do that. I am however only able to attend a few classes a week and do a very light workload and hence I am a very part time student as the effort it takes to act normal is such places is huge for me. Yes I am entitled to on the job support and I am working with a disability employment service to help me to find some work, but that has to be very part time and in a place where I am supported to be me.

To be a truely inclusive world we would allow people to be who they are and to be seperated if they want to be. We have schools for the gifted that no one ever suggests closing down. It would be acceptable for medical students to study at seperate schools, but as soon as you are classified as disabled, we somehow have the need to "force" people to be normal, to mainstream, to say that they are not included if they are not being normal. Yes no one should be refused access to some place because they are disabled, and yes people should be able to expect reasonable modifications, but nor should people be forced to be in places they are comfortable with. We do not expect the mainstream world to do things they do not like, are not good at, etc, so why force it on the disabled. A classroom is not the world, it is only a number of hours each day. These people still walk the streets, eat in resturants, go to shops, etc. If they are not part of the mainstream world then, then I don't know where they are. There is much more to a person's life than their education and any reasonable employer is going to look at the whole package the person presents, what they do besides study, what work or other experience they have, etc.