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18 Jan 2011, 2:33 pm

I didn't believe in God before the diagnosis and I still don't now.



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18 Jan 2011, 2:39 pm

I'm not officially diagnosed with ASD, but I've had a few other official diagnoses. No, they did not play a part in how I viewed God.

I've always been a logical thinker, and evolution makes logical sense. However, so does the idea that a higher being may have been the catalyst.


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18 Jan 2011, 2:58 pm

I did acquire an unexplained and uncharacteristic liking of carrots.


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18 Jan 2011, 4:48 pm

It didn't change my belief in God despite those beliefs changing a lot over the years. I see religious/spiritual truth as mostly unrelated to and coexisting with scientific truth. (And for the most part don't see one religion as "better" than the others, just a matter of both culture and personal inclination).


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18 Jan 2011, 4:56 pm

astaut wrote:
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Post self diagnosis, I remain as agnostic as ever.


Same.

I'm agnostic, but I believe in some sort of God. Though I also accept evolution. I don't see why one can't accept both.


What annoys me about the evolution vs. religion argument is... well, two things, actually:

1. Not all religion opposes evolution
2. Even Judeo-Christian religions, which it seems must, do not. The Catholic Church's stance on evolution is this: "It happens. Get over it." (paraphrasing, of course)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C ... _evolution

I don't think that a diagnosis would change how one believes, but I think being autistic does. As for me... I was on the path to Taoism around the same time as I was on the path to my self-diagnosis, but the two are technically unrelated. I do believe that much of the wisdom from Taoism can be applied to autism.


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18 Jan 2011, 5:18 pm

I self diagnosed and my beliefs while they didn't change at all, I am left wondering why life is harder for some people then others if God loves everyone equally. I mean even being picked on an such in school and life I haven't had it nearly as hard as others. I guess I shoul reflect more.



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18 Jan 2011, 5:57 pm

MrLoony wrote:
astaut wrote:
Moog wrote:
Post self diagnosis, I remain as agnostic as ever.


Same.

I'm agnostic, but I believe in some sort of God. Though I also accept evolution. I don't see why one can't accept both.


What annoys me about the evolution vs. religion argument is... well, two things, actually:

1. Not all religion opposes evolution
2. Even Judeo-Christian religions, which it seems must, do not. The Catholic Church's stance on evolution is this: "It happens. Get over it." (paraphrasing, of course)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C ... _evolution

I don't think that a diagnosis would change how one believes, but I think being autistic does. As for me... I was on the path to Taoism around the same time as I was on the path to my self-diagnosis, but the two are technically unrelated. I do believe that much of the wisdom from Taoism can be applied to autism.


It depends upon how one looks at evolution. If evolution simply referred to change over time, then there is no conflict. If however, on uses the term evolution referring to single celled creatures turning into fish, fish turning into amphibians, amphibians turning into reptiles, reptiles into birds, birds into mammals, and eventually into humans, then there is a huge conflict.


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18 Jan 2011, 6:18 pm

cyberscan wrote:
It depends upon how one looks at evolution. If evolution simply referred to change over time, then there is no conflict. If however, on uses the term evolution referring to single celled creatures turning into fish, fish turning into amphibians, amphibians turning into reptiles, reptiles into birds, birds into mammals, and eventually into humans, then there is a huge conflict.


No. There really isn't. Seriously, click the link.

Secondly, are you talking conflict specifically with Judeo-Christian beliefs or religion? Because even with an absolutely literal interpretation of religious texts, you're not going to find a conflict with all religions.

From a link off of the Wikipedia page:

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For this reason the theistic theory of evolution postulates an intervention on the part of the Creator in the production of the first organisms. When and how the first seeds of life were implanted in matter, we, indeed, do not know.


Seriously, learn about religion before you go around saying things about it. This is one of the most annoying things to me. You're not an expert on religion, you're not even an amateur theologian.

Edit: The Catholic idea of evolution is this: Species change over time and become new species as guided by the hand of God. Note that it doesn't specify which species. As in, this also applies to single celled organisms changing into multi-celled organisms, fish changing into amphibians, etc.


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18 Jan 2011, 6:43 pm

Makes no difference to me. AS is about my interactions with people and nothing else.


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18 Jan 2011, 6:56 pm

Didn't change.



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18 Jan 2011, 7:35 pm

antonblock wrote:
How was it for you? did it change your view on reality, god and so on?


Not at all. Why would it?

That's a rhetorical question. Please don't bother answering it.


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18 Jan 2011, 8:14 pm

antonblock wrote:
Hi there,

getting my diagnosis just caused understand more how i am a part of human evolution and also how determined my behavior was. Reading a book about autism just explained many things, and it was horrible, that some other guys knew me better than i did know myself. This also led to more doubts in my believe in god.

How was it for you? did it change your view on reality, god and so on?

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I believe in the universe and that it created all life and that life shares particles with stars. I have always had a hard time believing in the type of God that's in the Bible. I can remember going to church at four and thinking that the story of the flood didn't seem possible. Even if an ark was built, how was their room for all those animals and how did Noah feed them for forty days and nights?
I also wondered how all animals could come from Noah's ark animals and how all humans were descendants of Noah, even Asians and Negros and Caucasians.
It just didn't seem likely.
The theory of evolution and the theories about the creation of the universe made more sense though I am not sure where the original singularity originated. How did it come into existence? That's where family members say God enters the picture but I cannot be that sure.
And if the universe does grow cold and lifeless, like some cosmologists predict, where will God be then?



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18 Jan 2011, 8:32 pm

My belief in God himself has never changed; however, upon meeting extensively with a therapist between 2007 and 2010 for anorexia, my perception of the Christian faith I was raised into has...extensively. I heard about Asperger's from a different source early in 2009 and pretty much self-diagnosed (?), and I can't say that has changed anything at all.

I guess I'm about 75% Catholic now; I used to believe in about 99% of its teachings :?



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18 Jan 2011, 8:40 pm

Went a different route. Long before I realized any spectral connection, I was in a panic - looking at me and family history and feeling I was doomed by my genetic heritage and family history.

Coming to understand that with God in the picture that heritage is not doom.



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18 Jan 2011, 9:25 pm

MrLoony wrote:

No. There really isn't. Seriously, click the link.

Secondly, are you talking conflict specifically with Judeo-Christian beliefs or religion? Because even with an absolutely literal interpretation of religious texts, you're not going to find a conflict with all religions.

From a link off of the Wikipedia page:

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For this reason the theistic theory of evolution postulates an intervention on the part of the Creator in the production of the first organisms. When and how the first seeds of life were implanted in matter, we, indeed, do not know.


Seriously, learn about religion before you go around saying things about it. This is one of the most annoying things to me. You're not an expert on religion, you're not even an amateur theologian.

Edit: The Catholic idea of evolution is this: Species change over time and become new species as guided by the hand of God. Note that it doesn't specify which species. As in, this also applies to single celled organisms changing into multi-celled organisms, fish changing into amphibians, etc.


I am specifically talking about the scriptures that are used by Christians and Jews. The popular belief in the faith of evolution is indeed in conflict with the Scriptures used by Christians and Jews. These Scriptures actually state that all organisms were created in the same period. Many religious leaders like to say there is no conflict, but there is. The Judeo/Christian Scriptures state that animals were created on the fifth and sixth day. In fact the entire creation period lasted six days. Evolution teaches that all living things came into being over a period of millions of years.

Many theologians like to say that there is no conflict for several reasons. One is the fact that they do not know how to argue with the Evolutionists. Two is the fact that many know that their congregations have a mixed belief in Evolutionism and Christianity/Judaism, and they do not want to risk losing their following. Three is the fact that they do not see any conflict whatsoever. I can point out several clear conflict between what the Evolutionists state and what the Bible states.


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18 Jan 2011, 9:30 pm

Just being human is "determinate"; it comes with built-in boundaries. AS provides its own special set; but again, so do NT personality types. So - no. It hasn't changed my belief in God; it has provided a way to clarify my relationship to Him and to other people.

You've said that you already had doubts about God. Do your doubts as a result of your diagnosis tie in with those?