"The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle - as an Aspie

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19 Jan 2011, 7:00 pm

My 2¢'s is that Eckhardt Tolle is just one more person who has set themselves up as a spiritual guide using the same basic half dozen big aphorisms. The first of which is "be here now."

Oprah is the one who pushed Eckhardt Tolle into the big times. Here's a pretty good article about him: http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2 ... 5_CV_N.htm


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19 Jan 2011, 7:07 pm

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He's talking about washing the dishes and spending all your mental energy with monkey mind chatter and not noticing the beauty of the bubbles.

When I let the water down the sink I try to make it look like the bubbles are going down a black hole.


Here's something I do that always gives me a jolt. When I look up at the stars at night, I remind myself that I'm actually looking out into the cosmos and not up. I actually feel like I'm going to fall off for a second. :lol:

I'm looking down. Southern Hemisphere and all. The South Celestial Pole is actually in my front yard.
I only feel that sense when I get to see planets through my telescope. I have to grab onto it and reassure myself that I'm still on Earth.


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19 Jan 2011, 7:16 pm

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He's talking about washing the dishes and spending all your mental energy with monkey mind chatter and not noticing the beauty of the bubbles.

When I let the water down the sink I try to make it look like the bubbles are going down a black hole.


Here's something I do that always gives me a jolt. When I look up at the stars at night, I remind myself that I'm actually looking out into the cosmos and not up. I actually feel like I'm going to fall off for a second. :lol:

I'm looking down. Southern Hemisphere and all. The South Celestial Pole is actually in my front yard.
I only feel that sense when I get to see planets through my telescope. I have to grab onto it and reassure myself that I'm still on Earth.

Back in the 70's and 80's every year or so, I would check out Arp's Irregular Galaxies...big books... they grab my attention like few things can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Peculiar_Galaxies


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19 Jan 2011, 7:48 pm

I wish I could communicate how I feel about this author. I don't know how to find the right words to express my thoughts here without it sounding negative. I understand what a discovery it is for people to actually participate in the seconds of their life when I guess they have not been doing it. I have no choice in this and it has made life almost completely unbearable. I hope it is just more something people will learn to find as a way to keep focused and not get lost in what is past or what will be in the future.

I will continue my relentless search for how to deal with the overwhelming intensity of every moment. There aren't any lost minutes in my existence, at times even sleep feels like a string of action sequences. Nothing stops it, nothing ever has, and it is my greatest gift and my greatest challenge.


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19 Jan 2011, 8:08 pm

Okay I've looked into him a bit more and definitely not the same thing I was doing. I'm now irritated that people can use the same sort of words for very different things. Leads to too much... total misunderstanding of seriously important stuff.


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20 Jan 2011, 12:04 am

There is a fascinating book called "My Stroke of Insight." It is the story of a woman who was a brain surgeon, and she had a stroke in her left temporal lobe, and she lived in the be here now world for a long time. Here is the book http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9780670020744-0

And here is a radio show that I found right up my alley... and the author Jill Taylor is interviewd during the show... http://www.radiolab.org/blogs/radiolab- ... ommentlist


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20 Jan 2011, 4:37 am

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Okay I've looked into him a bit more and definitely not the same thing I was doing. I'm now irritated that people can use the same sort of words for very different things. Leads to too much... total misunderstanding of seriously important stuff.


Umm, welcome to the wonderful world of language? :lol:


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20 Jan 2011, 4:37 am

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(which I somewhat disagree with, I think mental noodling can lead to innovation). .


I disagree. IMO he is saying the opposite, that many great innovations/creations came from the non-thinking realm. OK, I'll be less radical and agree that thinking is involved to an extent in more practical efforts but perhaps truly great artists/musicians are in the completely opposite mode when they are coming up with their best work.

If you have never visited the non-thinking realm, you would think the opposite. You can't believe what you don't understand and you can't fully understand it if you have never done it.



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20 Jan 2011, 4:38 am

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I wish I could communicate how I feel about this author. I don't know how to find the right words to express my thoughts here without it sounding negative. I understand what a discovery it is for people to actually participate in the seconds of their life when I guess they have not been doing it. I have no choice in this and it has made life almost completely unbearable. I hope it is just more something people will learn to find as a way to keep focused and not get lost in what is past or what will be in the future.

I will continue my relentless search for how to deal with the overwhelming intensity of every moment. There aren't any lost minutes in my existence, at times even sleep feels like a string of action sequences. Nothing stops it, nothing ever has, and it is my greatest gift and my greatest challenge.


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Sounds like you're highly sensorially challenged?


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20 Jan 2011, 4:40 am

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There is a fascinating book called "My Stroke of Insight." It is the story of a woman who was a brain surgeon, and she had a stroke in her left temporal lobe, and she lived in the be here now world for a long time. Here is the book http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9780670020744-0

And here is a radio show that I found right up my alley... and the author Jill Taylor is interviewd during the show... http://www.radiolab.org/blogs/radiolab- ... ommentlist


I think I heard her on a TED talk, or something. Pretty interesting story.


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20 Jan 2011, 4:42 am

tall-p wrote:
My 2¢'s is that Eckhardt Tolle is just one more person who has set themselves up as a spiritual guide using the same basic half dozen big aphorisms. The first of which is "be here now."

Oprah is the one who pushed Eckhardt Tolle into the big times. Here's a pretty good article about him: http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2 ... 5_CV_N.htm


To be honest, Tolle doesn't do it for me... there are other teachers I prefer. But I think there is value in bringing ideas about mindfulness and living in the moment into the mainstream.

Most spiritual teachers talk about the same 'basic half dozen big aphorisms' because those are the fundamentals of spiritual transformation! There are no new methods (maybe technological developments for spiritual solutions might be coming). The human being hasn't changed, the old ways still work. The language that describes the same thing often changes, like the way Jesus taught as opposed to the way the Buddha taught, as opposed to the way Zoroaster taught etc.


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20 Jan 2011, 4:57 am

I think I am saying the opposite of some of you while others agree with my main point to some extent.

So this could be a bit of a reach but I think its worth suggesting. I realize I can only speculate and theorize on what would be like to be an N/T but its very clear to me that N/T's seem to be able to float through life and while they can think, they don't let themselves get bogged down with thoughts.

Do you see the point I am making. Both Aspies and N/T's can think. Aspies use it to their advantage but also to their disadvantage. N/T's possibly only use it to their advantage. Because they know they are most productive when they are in autopilot non-thinking mode.

Is it possible that when Tolle had his inner transformation he lost his Aspie tendencies ?



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20 Jan 2011, 5:17 am

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I think I am saying the opposite of some of you while others agree with my main point to some extent.

So this could be a bit of a reach but I think its worth suggesting. I realize I can only speculate and theorize on what would be like to be an N/T but its very clear to me that N/T's seem to be able to float through life and while they can think, they don't let themselves get bogged down with thoughts.

Do you see the point I am making. Both Aspies and N/T's can think. Aspies use it to their advantage but also to their disadvantage. N/T's possibly only use it to their advantage. Because they know they are most productive when they are in autopilot non-thinking mode.


Yes, I would definitely agree with that. I understand what you meant by your earlier post now. I expect that NTs don't have to try to be in the moment so much, whereas I do. So, there could be a more natural baseline ability of 'fluid' living in NTs, where aspies might have more of a preference for 'being' in abstract thought.

I think earlier I was thinking of something a bit beyond this concept.


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20 Jan 2011, 5:45 am

Here is something rather sad but true.

When I am out with people and we are drinking, I seem to gain intelligence while they lose theirs. So on relative terms I move up in my "group intelligence ranking".

Only because we all start thinking less and less as we drink more and more. According to Tolle, alcohol puts one at a level "below thinking" whereas being present is "above thinking".

So I watch all my friends become more stupid while (at least from my perspective) I seem to become more smart.

I wish I lived in a world where everyone else was drunk all the time and then it would be a more fair fight :wink:



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20 Jan 2011, 1:19 pm

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I disagree. IMO he is saying the opposite, that many great innovations/creations came from the non-thinking realm. OK, I'll be less radical and agree that thinking is involved to an extent in more practical efforts but perhaps truly great artists/musicians are in the completely opposite mode when they are coming up with their best work.


I am a creative-artistic type, and I have experienced both ways of creation- (sometimes I´ve even done a little of each in creating the same work). I think it´s too much of a judgment to say that one way is "better" than the other. It´s true that creating from the non-thinking realm may feel like less effort, but sometimes it doesn´t work; sometimes you need a little brain power to find an inspiration, or to solve a problem within the creation. Basically, they are 2 different methods that can bring you to the same place.


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20 Jan 2011, 1:22 pm

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Back in the 70's and 80's every year or so, I would check out Arp's Irregular Galaxies...big books... they grab my attention like few things can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Peculiar_Galaxies


Those pictures were amazing! I love stuff like that.


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