I dedicate this POEM to Emoal6

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*does his best Emperor Palpatine impression*
You have done well my young apprentice.

emoale6, your knowledge of poetry seems to be lacking. have you never heard of free verse? there is concrete poetry that exists that makes no sense and doesn't even contain real words. that doesn't disqualify it from being poetry. i know very little about poetry, but it would seem to me your knowledge of poetry is obviously not sufficient to qualify you to criticise anyone. think you need to do a bit of reading yourself.

http://classes.berklee.edu/llanday/spri ... poetry.htm

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/ ... morgan.jpg

http://wings.buffalo.edu/epc/ezines/tin ... bernhorses

http://www.fencemag.com/v1n2/work/charlesbernstein.html

Actually, I thought hyper_alien's poem was interesting. One of the themes in his poem is about how conventional or what might be considered normal behaviors can be alienating or hurtful to people who have neurodiversity. His poem has artistic merit because it represents a neurodiverse way of perceiving reality. The emerging autistic cultural worldview has a potential to resolve the crisis in meaning within the literary canon. There is a crisis in meaning in English literature because the postmodernist perspective recognizes that literature has been used to colonize diverse cultures. Autistic voices represent a new way of perceiving reality and that is why the autistic voice has the potential to help resolve this crisis in meaning.

For example, if we can acknowledge in our art and literature that to some people "hugs" are hurtful, then that means that we have to reassess our entire value system in terms of whether or not there is a universal meaning that exists behind a physical embrace. This reassessment has value because it forces the reader to look deeper than the superficial conventions that we are all taught are important. A poem like this forces the reader to reassess codes of conduct that we are taught to take for granted and to think about the value we impose on such codes of conduct in terms of the impact on other people.

Well, it has been along time since I was in a English lit class, and I'm a bit rusty, but that is my attempt to contribute to a discussion about what hyper_alien's poem means.

I am glad to see you put it back..with a dedication. I love it.

Your poem is beautiful, hyperalien, I loved it and can definitely relate.
It is the worst possible thing to put down someone who has taken the risk of expressing themself. There was nothing wrong with
hyperalien's poem. The point is not how you write it but what is said. Poetry doesn't have to fit a pattern to have a meaning to it.
It is the emotional feeling you get when you realize what the poem said that matters, not the nagging feeling in the back of your
head "oh gosh did he really use the right meter in expressing that amazing message?" no. it doesnt matter HOW, it matters WHAT.

Thanks for posting it, hyperalien.

Kate

Thankyou

What is even more astounding is that a FEMALE (me) wrote this.

Anyway thanks for all you're comments.

I wanted to do poems that were not the 'norm' as Emoal6 said. But what I right is how I express myself.

Thankyou for all you're comments.

it expresses your life experiences with aspergers in a good way and dont listen to Emoal6 because he is missing the pt of your communication. As with anything some people think there is a right and wrong way. They are right there is the right was is what you do and the wrong way is trying to mimic someone elses stuff. I totally know how you feel hyper_aliens been living this with my 24 years of existence and poetry does not have to be rhyme. it is the form called freeverse which you dictate how it flows

I'm so sorry that that idot was bothering you. I wish things could work out for the best. Your outer beautity when I'm saying your beautiful I'm not always talking about it I'm talking about your inner beauty. You are great and like it or not you do look good. I read your poem and it was great. I was thinking is there anything I can do for you? Would you like me to dedicate one of my books to you? You can all dedicate a poem to me and I'll accept it.

no, the worst thing is not to be put down or criticized for your effort. If you were an artist or a "creator" in essence, you would know the worst thing is to be ignored. It's hurtful to be told that you have no talent or you should quit and all the other things people say, this is true. But to be left to suffer in agony, never knowing what other people thought, is much worse. Criticism can be shaken off as someone having a bad day or being ignorant. You can justify yourself for these thoughts because this person meant harm towards you with their words. It is when the world decides you are unworthy of their opinion, that things get bad. You never know how good or bad you really are. Your mind becomes a cancer in someways, hurting yourself because you crave other's input. In essence, this is why you create things, to be acknowledged. I knew afterwords what I had said was rough to say the least, but at least it was honest. I've never lied for the benefit of others, nor will I. Hate me for my opinion, hate me for who I am. With that, realize you are the same as me, so in turn, hate yourselves for not allowing someone what you allow yourself. The freedom of opinion and speech.

And please, for the love of god, dont ever compare that to ginsberg or anyone of the past who had a way with words. I know about freeverse and the poets who used it. The things they also used were tools of rhetoric. They used words that helped you feel their thoughts. They helped recreate in writing what they lived through, be it memories or circumstances. You experienced the writings, not read them. You are able to put yourself in their place without them having to spell everything out for you. To put things metephorically and allegorically. That is the heart beat, the pulse behind poetry. To write your feelings and not your symptoms.

I see you're still trying to claim that you're right, when you're so clearly in the wrong here.
And I see you still think that you actually think your words have meaning.

It's obvious to me that you just don't get it. You haven't even acknowledged the idea of diplomacy.


Stop being a critic until you learn how to communicate.

I agree with you. This person is not being any good of a critic of aliens my friends work. I actually loved the poem. This person actually reminds me of Emp but I'm not going any farther than that.

It just can't be possible that its a bad poem? I mean, are we playing tee ball here with 6 year olds? Im sorry but its just not a good poem. Hell, its not even a poem. Its akward spacing with no adjectives, no punctuation, and a lot of repetition. It doesn't show a picture with words, it just states how that person lives. I got a poem for all of you, tell me what ya think, its inspired by hyper alien

I live
live in a box
a box made of cardboard
cardboard kind of like the one you see used for holding a refrigerator
a refridgerator but it
it is not like being on the street
street see
see I am in a
a house and I just like
like to live in my imagination

I find it
it difficult when people tell me
me that
that I can't write a poem but want to
to call words on
on a paper with odd
odd spacing
spacing a poem

When people
people make fun of my words on
on a paper I just want to
to yell because
because I dont know
know how to use
use anything that has to do
do with punctuation

See this has all been one
one really long
long run-on
on sentence
sentence because I didnt learn grammer
grammer when I was
was in
in school

I hope
hope people can understand
understand that
that I just dont
don't know how
how to write anything
anything without pressing enter more than
more than
more than 100
100 times in it
it

Please
FOR-
forgive
M
me


See, thats a bad poem. Its not even a poem, it just has horrible spacing and no punctuation. It has nothing to do with postmodernistic poetry. Its just words on a paper with no punctuation, repetition, and rediculous spacing techniques. Realize this is EXAGGERATED because no one wants to see this from a PROFESSIONAL point of view. You all have taken hyper aliens words to heart because you can empathize her situation in a way. You dont want to see it for what it is, but for what you wanted it to mean for you. Now that you've read this HORRENDOUS "poem", go ahead and look at hyper aliens. Notice I didnt even touch the subject matter that she used because I wanted you to see the "poem" for what it was. Take out the references to asperger's syndrome and its symptoms and that is what you have. I said in my first post that I understood the message she was trying to portray, but that got past all your ignorance. I went from a strictly business point of view and for that I was criticized as someone who didnt understand and was just heartless. Poetry is something I take VERY seriously. Its only self expression until you show it to everyone else, then its a potrayal of how you see the language you use. If you write something like that, its obviously disrespectful. I would accept that as a poem from no more than a 3rd grader and then tell them the same thing I told her. Just because you all want to see this as a friend's work instead of a poet's work, doesnt mean I should or that I have to agree with you all. In fact, Im extremely glad I am as strongwilled and steadfast in my decisions because if this is how you will respond to HONEST criticism when you yourself put it out to be seen, you're not a poet. Sometimes people like what you write, sometimes they dont, cry me a river.

to be honest emoal6 i think your cardboard box poem is better than the other poems you posted on this forum.