Anybody else feel like they are not really themselves?

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30 Jan 2011, 4:11 pm

Very good then..

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30 Jan 2011, 4:41 pm

Mdyar wrote:

In a simple thought experiment, I'd imagine that if everyone in 'kindergarten class' stuck to themselves, then there couldn't be any thoughts or feelings associated with a "depersonalization." You wouldn't feel displaced.

With our inherent "herd instinct" considered, I suspect the feeling would still be there even if never pondered or identified.

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30 Jan 2011, 4:47 pm

leejosepho wrote:

eudaimonia wrote:

I like the quote, "In 5 years we will be the sum total of the people we've met and the books we've read."

Yes ... and then we will have knowledge of even more possible roles to be played in an ever-increasing number of scenarios ...

Maddening.

Imagine the impact TV has on this kind of thing over the period of a lifetime. If the sum of what we are is what we experience, many of us have lived thousands of vicarious experential lifetimes compared to lives lived before TV, radio, etc.

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30 Jan 2011, 5:02 pm

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I thought that was related to schizoaffective and schizophrenic disorders.

It's more related to borderline personality disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, and dissociative disorders.

Not coincidentally, every one of those is linked to trauma.

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30 Jan 2011, 5:09 pm

Its called depersonalization disorder.

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30 Jan 2011, 5:30 pm

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Yes all the time and I haven't been myself for the past year now :roll:

Sometimes I think I am going crazy and I don't even know how to talk about it so seeing a therapist is out of the question.

A good one, well, it's their job to help you talk about it. But they have to be good

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30 Jan 2011, 5:43 pm

aghogday wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

eudaimonia wrote:

I like the quote, "In 5 years we will be the sum total of the people we've met and the books we've read."

Yes ... and then we will have knowledge of even more possible roles to be played in an ever-increasing number of scenarios ...

Maddening.

Mm, but it's a muted watered down experience, its still not like being there. For example, look at the film Being There.

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30 Jan 2011, 5:53 pm

I think this post is very fascinating because I do not really relate but can perhaps imagine it. It is very vague.

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30 Jan 2011, 6:21 pm

leejosepho wrote:

Mdyar wrote:

With our inherent "herd instinct" considered, I suspect the feeling would still be there even if never pondered or identified.

We should do a poll

Speaking for my self that was the start of it with that "asynchrony" at school. There wasn't a cognitive dissonance there other than the comparative lack in the social strata; and before school-nil.

I'd say it would be a safe bet that there could be a cognitive dissonance with doing anything though. I know on I.Q. testing, there is usually quite a scatter here, but sometimes not, and this affects performance regardless of the social.

A depersonalization would arise here as comparative to knowing others don't go through "it."

So I think it is entirely an experiential phenomenon based on outside feed back performance.

But I wonder if someone autistic born on a dessert island, raised by only animals, would know he was autistic and experience cognitive dissonance? Would he feel a depersonalization with the animals?

NT folks bark with the wolves and never bat an eyelash over it.

How about if that man was raised by some miraculous means thereby never experiencing a soul; would he know something was wrong?

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30 Jan 2011, 6:22 pm

I don't feel like I'm not myself; instead I feel like I have no self, just some body in space.

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30 Jan 2011, 6:22 pm

By a depersonalization disorder you kind of look at your actions and listen to your voice from another perspective, so that you dont have the full control of what you are doing; you just watch yourself do it.

Im sure that I dont have this, but I am often not myself because I adapt to the surroundings, so I have the feeling that Im not honest. And the worst thing about it: I think I cant be natural. Im often too conscious and have to fake naturalness.

eudaimonia wrote:

who am I?

There is no fulfilling, concrete answer to this question. You are a conglomeration of what you do, what you say, what you think and what you make.

This is so well said. I am all my thoughts and acts, no matter what I think or do, but it is hard to accept the side of me that is fake. I just sometimes have the feeling that I am forced to behave in a "natural" way, even if I dont want to react or dont have the feelings that is necessary to have for reacting. I have to ask myself if I could have been different if I wouldnt live among people who need me to react in some way, and if I dont, they have a problem with it.

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30 Jan 2011, 6:41 pm

Chickenbird wrote:

aghogday wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

eudaimonia wrote:

I like the quote, "In 5 years we will be the sum total of the people we've met and the books we've read."

Yes ... and then we will have knowledge of even more possible roles to be played in an ever-increasing number of scenarios ...

Maddening.

Mm, but it's a muted watered down experience, its still not like being there. For example, look at the film Being There.

Yes, as far as the three dimensional, interactive, smell, taste, and touch perspective. But, TV competes with subject matter that people don't and never would have the opportunity to be exposed to or experience in a lifetime, with a clear intention to keep us as stimulated as possible in the experience to keep our attention. In my opinion being there is better.

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30 Jan 2011, 6:58 pm

With the T.V I think it is a matter of enhancing an imaginary state and in psychosocial evolution this has and had a causal effect. I think this subject is fascinating but cannot be concluded. Fixation on what is not there as a projection does not also differ much from the real-life dynamic of non-projection / altering state toward X. Simply the fixation on an non-typical reality for so long. Yeah to vague and hard to deduce even what the psychological effects would be especially for this topic on context.

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