Getting stopped by the police for no reason

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Dillonski
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24 Feb 2011, 11:11 am

The man may have seen it as a form of vandalism but he overreacted to it you where just minding your own business and the man had no right calling the Police.



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24 Feb 2011, 12:09 pm

Montreal, barefoot, in the Winter?! While I totally agree that you are entitled to whatever floats your boat as long as it doesn't impinge on someone else, you must realize that isn't a common thing. Potentially harmful. I strongly suspect that is the root of the police intervention.

The invasive weeding is a noble pursuit! I've gone on native species rescues before. It is always a good idea to carry a written note from the property owner that gives you the permission to be there doing what you are doing.

The only time I've ever been stopped by the police wasn't for my actions but my hair color... someone said 'a redhead girl was there'. I suppose I was the first redhead they saw. We all look alike to them!



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06 Mar 2011, 11:34 am

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It's at the point where leaving the house by myself is not something I'm usually comfortable with.


:( There are days I've felt like that.

Anbuend, don't you use a wheelchair or scooter? Do they stop you even then???

I've been stopped for walking barefoot in July (and at the same time it's astonishing how rarely people seem to notice in January). So it's not the weather, per se. It's my weirdness. And yet I guess I'm lucky it isn't worse. A few people have asked me if I go barefoot for spiritual reasons, so I guess that's how I most often come across.

If it keeps up I'm going to start doing research, in preparation for formal complaint/possible legal action. This whole idea that it's the police's job to deal with people who make others nervous, rather than people who are actually doing something wrong, or are in real danger, is such a waste of taxpayers' money, not to mention harmful to those of us who scare people. It's like going after spiders and snakes, which scare people because they act weird in public, even when they're completely harmless.



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06 Mar 2011, 11:45 am

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Aspies and other people with differences do seem to trigger suspicion in police. Whether it is body language, being alone, not saying the right things when questioned, or other weird behavior; we seem to stick out like a sore thumb. As a teen, I often felt that in their eyes I was guilty of something and had to prove my innocence, ie. I was just a normal citizen. I think aspies are more vulnerable in that they are more likely to be victimized or targeted by criminal behavior, and we are more likely to raise red flags in the eyes of law enforcement. The internet is full of stories of misunderstanding and tragedies between police and autistic people.



My experiences exactly; I couldn't have said it better.

As you said, I have been conditioned by now to feel guilty of something, and I'm not... Never stolen, never been drunk in public, never done anything that would remotely command police attention. But I get it all the time. Even driving down the street, they'll be going the opposite direction, screech to a halt, make a U turn and stop me to ask what I'm doing, where I live, who is my parole officer (even though I've never been a criminal thus never on parole!! !!). It seems to me that the problem has worsened in the last 2 or 3 years. I don't remember ever being bothered by police when I was a kid, and I always admire and appreciate the work of firefighters & police officers. It's totally unfair, and I've done my share of writing good letters to various agencies to try to get some attention and understanding taught to the public safety community about us. I hope enough of us can do the same, and prevent any more dead Aspies at the hands of scared and misunderstanding police officers. Sadly, that's happened in Los Angeles at least 2 or 3 times in the past year.

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06 Mar 2011, 12:13 pm

Couldn't you talk to the police about it? Get a meeting with all the officers in town, go "Hi I'm autistic, I may seem weird but I'm harmless, please stop questioning me all the time."



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06 Mar 2011, 2:45 pm

I get really anxious around cops so I am worried about what would happen if one randomly started asking me questions because I look suspicious or something. I mean its not so bad if their attention is directed elseware.....like the other night I was getting a ride somewhere with a guy I know and he ran a stop sign and got pulled over so the cops where more focused on him then me since I was the passenger...though because the driver was under age and I was smoking a ciggerette they checked my ID to make sure I was old enough to be smoking. But yeah there was not too much anxiety involved in that......but if a cop approaches me directly it freaks me out and its usually obvious.. Which means either the cop will decide to feel sorry for me and be nicer or it would increase suspiscion.



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06 Mar 2011, 7:24 pm

I've never been stopped by the police, but I've been a passenger when someone else was for something like a burned out tail light that was easily fixed. I guess being a woman, I don't look suspicious enough, and I'm a safe driver who doesn't go fast enough over the speed limit to be noticed. I renew my car registration at the auto club because they give you the new stickers right there, so I'm able to put them on my car right away.

The time I've removed non native plant species from a wildlife refuge, I was part of a college club and we were doing that as a community service project. This refuge was next to a mall, so there were no nosy neighbors to call the police.



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28 May 2011, 10:21 pm

Anemone wrote:
I never used to have problems. Never.

In Vancouver a couple of years ago I was pulling invasive species by myself in a park with permission, and a local man called the police on me twice. The first time was fine - the police officers were very nice, asked to see ID, and let me get back to what I was doing - but the second time the man went with the police officer to shut me down, and the police officer was not nice and told me to go home for the day, even though my name was clear (he called it in). I was shaken, and suspect that my being autistic contributed to me being seen as engaging in "suspicious behaviour". (The man who called the police looked even more suspicious, if you ask me.)

Then I started going barefoot. In Vancouver last winter, the police pulled up alongside once, rolled down the car window, and asked if I was ok. That was the only police attention I got in Vancouver for going barefoot. Yay!

Then I moved to Montreal. I've been stopped by the police seven times now (since last May) and they say it's because I'm barefoot. But other barefooters don't get stopped like this. They may have the kind of experience like I had in Vancouver, where the police ask if they're ok, but that's it. Here, the police get out of the car, ask for identification, and one of them runs my ID through the system while the other asks me a bunch of questions to make sure I'm not some psych ward runaway. It's horrible.

I was stopped once in July, once in September, once in November (when I was carrying a 30 lb chair home from the Salvation Army - that time was fun), and four times in the last few weeks (but not at all for the first month and a half of winter, thank goodness). Three of the times I was stopped, they got a call about me and had to investigate. The other four times they were just out patrolling and saw me. (Once was twice in the same day, and I think it was the same two police officers - they didn't have time to check my ID the first time because they had to do something else so I guess they were looking for me the second time.)

The last time I was stopped, they made me miss my bus. :evil:

I repeat, other people who go barefoot don't get stopped by the police like this. (I checked.) So I think it's because I'm autistic. Does this happen much to other autistic people? And if so, where do you live, and what are your demographics? (I'm white, female, age 46, and in Montreal, Canada.)

PS I don't have much in the way of internet access at home, so I'll be able to follow replies, but may not be able to comment again without trekking into the library again like I did today. Just so you know. Vent away!



I'm from montreal and i can say the cops here can be reall butt heads ! i jsut stay away from them and wear shoes just for that reason and that reason only !



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28 May 2011, 10:33 pm

I was stopped by the police at the beach in Vancouver in the Early 90s one time. The cops looked me over. One of them told his partner that I was peace bound and than they let me go.


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28 May 2011, 11:56 pm

I can't leave the house after dark. I used to walk to the local stores on the town's many well-lit public sidewalks. But the last 2 years or so, I began to get stopped frequently. It happened 8 times in the last year or so, half the time escalating to detainment and frisking for weapons, drugs, etc. A few times I was threatened with arrest, once for reacting in pain when a light was shined in my eyes, the other for answering honestly when the cop asked if I had taken any prescription drugs (I had taken an ativan right before leaving the house). The last time I was stopped, I was walking home from a friend's house about 1 mile along a main road, I got stopped, detained, and frisked by two officers in separate unmarked cars. I asked them "Why am I getting stopped" and they said "if you're out at night, we're going to stop you." And from that point on I just don't leave the house at night anymore. "Police States of America" (as I hear many people call it these days) means basically anyone slightly different can't go outside without being confronted by police, and for us Aspies, that means being put in a potentially dangerous situation in misunderstanding. It's not safe for us, we have no freedom there. I tried talking to the station recently only to get a lot of indignant, defensive responses, people just didn't believe I was being stopped, and stood behind the officer's activities 100% without even listening to me. I am afraid to go outside at night, still. So now I just hate all of it. I'm getting very cynical, and am contemplating media attention (I know a few reporters locally). We'll see.



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29 May 2011, 2:28 am

I get stopped for various things and tend to get searched when I do. It doesn't really bother me and find it mildy entertaining. They aren't too bad when you do what they say. These days I'd rather deal with a cop than a doctor.

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I got pulled over for an expired car registration. (parent's car... grr...) The cop felt the need to have me stand in front of the car and searched the car. He frisked me too...

I left my car at a bar after drinking there. (You aren't supposed to drink and drive, you know.) I was walking back to pick it up when the cop stopped me. I got frisked and ended up getting a free ride to my car. I think he felt the need to check me out because it was at night.

I got pulled over for not having a license plate at the front of my car. The cop again felt the need to search me and the car. This time it was because he... smelled something funny... I'm hyposensitive to smell and I... left a cup of lemonade in the car. It was growing stuff... I'm told it smelled something like pot. It was winter and I had lost my coat at work so he let me sit in his car while he searched mine. That probably contributed to him thinking I was high.

I've had a few other encounters that were probably my fault.

My experience is that cops aren't too bad. Just do what they say.


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29 May 2011, 3:18 am

I am afraid of police but I've never been stopped since I don't traval alone.


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29 May 2011, 9:46 am

Seph wrote:
I get stopped for various things and tend to get searched when I do. It doesn't really bother me and find it mildy entertaining. They aren't too bad when you do what they say. These days I'd rather deal with a cop than a doctor.

Let's see... the list:

I got pulled over for an expired car registration. (parent's car... grr...) The cop felt the need to have me stand in front of the car and searched the car. He frisked me too...

I left my car at a bar after drinking there. (You aren't supposed to drink and drive, you know.) I was walking back to pick it up when the cop stopped me. I got frisked and ended up getting a free ride to my car. I think he felt the need to check me out because it was at night.

I got pulled over for not having a license plate at the front of my car. The cop again felt the need to search me and the car. This time it was because he... smelled something funny... I'm hyposensitive to smell and I... left a cup of lemonade in the car. It was growing stuff... I'm told it smelled something like pot. It was winter and I had lost my coat at work so he let me sit in his car while he searched mine. That probably contributed to him thinking I was high.

I've had a few other encounters that were probably my fault.

My experience is that cops aren't too bad. Just do what they say.


Seph, in America you do not have to consent to searches. The cop has no legal cause to search your vehicle. All you have to do is say "I do not consent to search." Your refusal does not create suspicion , and it's key to the US' privacy laws. They need to get a warrant. Don't let them keep pushing us around. I don't tolerate it anymore.



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30 May 2011, 10:03 am

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If people are constantly calling you in, it sounds like you went from a more accepting geographic area to one where people's suspicion and judgement levels (as a whole) have increased.

What is normal in California will get you in big trouble in Kansas, for example.


You are so right! I actually found this forum after searching for autism and suspicious behavoir because I was visiting family in the south recently and I am 99% sure that store owner called the police on me because I was outside reading the menu to find out if they had any vegetarian products since I don't meat. First the guy (owner/manager) came out to check his car I was parked next to while I was reading the menu on the window outside the restaurant. I see they had veggie burgers so I go in and order. Well the police pull up outside by my car while I am waiting for my food. I immediately know the guy called them because he was acting worried before I even got out the car. So when I leave with my food the police are still there by my car. 8) I thought this was another case of racial profiling since I'm a black female in an upperclass area. I'm from California so I don't act like your typical black girl from the south and add to it my aspergers (officially diagnosed a year ago) and I really stand out. I was astonded and it hurt to think that yet again I was treated like a suspect and all I wanted to do was get some healthy food. This happens ALL the time when I have to go out in public. I was so upset about the situation but after reading the comments and thinking about it I realized that people look at me like I'm acting weird because I don't act like "normal" folks. My mannerism and other things make people think something is wrong when I'm just acting normal. I wish I could change their perception of me.

PS> This is my first official post! I'm so happy to have found this place. It helps to have somewhere to go to know that I am not the only person with aspergers disorder.



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30 May 2011, 4:35 pm

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Seph, in America you do not have to consent to searches. The cop has no legal cause to search your vehicle. All you have to do is say "I do not consent to search." Your refusal does not create suspicion , and it's key to the US' privacy laws. They need to get a warrant. Don't let them keep pushing us around. I don't tolerate it anymore.


Eh, maybe I'm too passive. It's never really bothered me though.


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31 May 2011, 2:08 pm

I was once pulled over by the police for driving at 31 in a 30. They checked my car was taxed and asked where I had been (it was late) then they let me on my way. Another time I was in a car park waiting to pick someone up in a strange town. A Police officer knocked on my window and asked if I was the owner of my car and for some ID as there had been lots of car thefts in the area lately.