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18 Aug 2011, 11:09 am

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Since Theory of Mind is problematic, I'm thinking mind reading is out.


Not true. When it comes to people, I pick up on their feelings but not from thinking about it but I feel it. I've had predictions that have come true. Dreams that have come true.

Now what happens in social scenarios where you are sensing something isn't right but you just feel it, you are baffled at the reasons why, who is behind all the conflict, the motivations, the intent. Other people are filled in much earlier than you. While you sense it and feel it, you are left clueless in the area of not getting it all at the same time.

It's VERY frustrating. Nobody even bothers to fill you in. There was a time though I was filled in on some strange social situation years later by someone who knew what was going on. I was feeling it but was not understanding the people involved, their motivations, what was really going on socially. I was picking up on their emotions as if they were my own. I was utterly shocked when she told me what was going on socially because it was not expected. I usually come up with several theories but usually it ends up to be more shocking once someone reveals what was really going on.



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18 Aug 2011, 11:19 am

Let's answer the question "Can anybody be psychic?" first, hmm?


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18 Aug 2011, 11:40 am

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think of a huge stash of money.

and PM me 6 numbers between 1 and 58.


its.. a test. yes.. a test. ;)


haha, if it worked like that for me, I'd be rich!

My abilities come and go as they please. Come in the forms of dreams, visions that pass by while awake, feelings that come out of nowhere, if a bad person (And I mean this person is REALLLLLY messed up as in a murderer or compulsive liar) is in the same area as me..I get this twisting feeling in my stomach that compels me to get that person to leave or tell the person bluntly what I think of them or avoid that person all together. In some cases in the past, I could not avoid that person as someone kept bringing the person home. She wouldn't listen to me and he ended up murdering his grandmother weeks later.

There have been times where I was the one outcasted in favor of someone I had strong feeling was a compulsive liar. Turns out he was. Never got an apology. Stuff like this has happened so many times that it's no longer just a coincidence but it's not a very pleasant experience.

So many people think that psychic abilities can just pop up when asked questions thanks to people who run these psychic hotlines. They do a form of trickery, the ones who aren't really psychic. A form of psychology and if they are wrong then cover it up with more words.

Like I said, if ONLY it worked like that with me. I'd be a millionaire by now but sadly it doesn't.

Now watch Sylvia Brown and how she can't admit her psychic ability was off but instead includes more words. This isn't what psychic is about. These people make money off of the gift of gab and coming up with conclusions quickly. She doesn't even close her eyes to search inside. Just talk talk talk.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKyzBe0CA2Q[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAitXMW7gdE[/youtube]

^WRONG!



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18 Aug 2011, 11:48 am

TheygoMew wrote:
Dantac wrote:
think of a huge stash of money.

and PM me 6 numbers between 1 and 58.


its.. a test. yes.. a test. ;)


haha, if it worked like that for me, I'd be rich!

My abilities come and go as they please. Come in the forms of dreams, visions that pass by while awake, feelings that come out of nowhere, if a bad person (And I mean this person is REALLLLLY messed up as in a murderer or compulsive liar) is in the same area as me..I get this twisting feeling in my stomach that compels me to get that person to leave or tell the person bluntly what I think of them or avoid that person all together. In some cases in the past, I could not avoid that person as someone kept bringing the person home. She wouldn't listen to me and he ended up murdering his grandmother weeks later.

There have been times where I was the one outcasted in favor of someone I had strong feeling was a compulsive liar. Turns out he was. Never got an apology. Stuff like this has happened so many times that it's no longer just a coincidence but it's not a very pleasant experience.

So many people think that psychic abilities can just pop up when asked questions thanks to people who run these psychic hotlines. They do a form of trickery, the ones who aren't really psychic. A form of psychology and if they are wrong then cover it up with more words.

Like I said, if ONLY it worked like that with me. I'd be a millionaire by now but sadly it doesn't.

Now watch Sylvia Brown and how she can't admit her psychic ability was off but instead includes more words. This isn't what psychic is about. These people make money off of the gift of gab and coming up with conclusions quickly. She doesn't even close her eyes to search inside. Just talk talk talk.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKyzBe0CA2Q[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAitXMW7gdE[/youtube]

^WRONG!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmati ... sed_memory


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18 Aug 2011, 12:00 pm

That would be a nice theory if other people that are around me also seemed to have a biased memory. So when these thing occur, does that mean everyone else who witnessed it as well suddenly they too develop a case of biased memory?

Fascinating but it's still the same old routine done by people who think these things don't really happen because they themselves don't get it.

It's like the question "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

I bet some of you get really upset if people don't believe you have autism too. Then you cry about their ignorance on the subject but because you know your life and what it's been like over autism, you get upset when others put you down or claim you don't have autism and recite some mumbo jumbo stereotype found in the media or perhaps even go on about Rainman and how you are nothing like him. Then they criticize, minimize your struggles then overestimate your abilities but get upset when you don't quite live up to such expectations meanwhile they make these claims that autism is just something that goes away. Some even think you just need to be kicked around. Your parents are to blame. Then you notice some of these people are teachers who claim they understand autism and throw out the teacher card then recite ignorant statements.

Those people don't HAVE autism. So therefore you don't either! You look "normal" to me they exclaim because they think autism means you look like you have down syndrome. They are very superficial and if you look cute you are normal. So then they start seeing you as their test subject and set off your sensory issues on purpose to either say "I have power over you" or to disprove you have autism.

Now think about it. How would you feel if you were in my position? Where the vast majority is even less tolerant if you have these abilities and add on top of that autism. You get shoved further into the freak pit.



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18 Aug 2011, 2:14 pm

TheygoMew wrote:
... watch Sylvia Brown and how she can't admit her psychic ability was off but instead includes more words. This isn't what psychic is about. These people make money off of the gift of gab and coming up with conclusions quickly. She doesn't even close her eyes to search inside. Just talk talk talk.

This is exactly what being a psychic is all about. Sylvia Brown is one of the most obvious train-wrecks-in-motion of the psychic set. A friend of mine has set up a website called "Stop Sylvia Brown", and has provided on that website a collection truth-filled accounts of SB's activities. Here is an excerpt from the main page:
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My name is Robert S. Lancaster, and I am the creator and webmaster of this web site.

I am a skeptic. That means that I require evidence of something before believing it. And, with controversial topics such as psychic phenomena, I would require very compelling evidence indeed.

So, given that:

1. Sylvia Browne steadfastly avoids any scientific testing of her purported powers.

2. Her performances on television seem to be indistinguishable from "cold reading" (a method used by stage magicians and phony psychics to simulate "real" psychic powers).

3. Her track record of "psychic predictions" (as put forth on her web site and on television and radio appearances) appears to be no better than that obtained by educated guesses.

Given all that, I firmly believe that Sylvia Browne has not shown that she has "real psychic powers", and that she should either prove them, or stop pretending she has them.

A collection of relevant articles can be found HERE.



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18 Aug 2011, 3:08 pm

My theory is Aspis have a greater chance of experiencing psychic phenomena because of differences in the brain.



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18 Aug 2011, 4:09 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
My theory is Aspis have a greater chance of experiencing psychic phenomena because of differences in the brain.

A theory is a claim that has been repeatedly and consistently verified significantly more often than not through experiment.

A hypothesis is a claim that is testable, but that has not yet been tested.

A proposition is an assumption, belief, claim, guess, idea, opinion, or proposal for which no validating tests may be possible.

Thus, the corrected statement becomes" "My proposition is that Aspies may have a greater chance of experiencing psychic phenomena because of differences in the brain."

Now, with that said, what brain differences are you referring to, and can you provide links to science-based references for this claim?

Thank you.



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18 Aug 2011, 4:19 pm

Well, you know Fnord, savants do exist and many of them are on the autistic spectrum. Some of them are Aspies. I consider savantism a form of psychic phenomena. Are you going to say there are no such things as savants?

Therefore, Aspies are at an advantage for experiencing psychic phenomena than the general population. It's elementary, dear Fnord.

If you want to know if savants exist and if any of them are Aspies or Auties, do a google search ;)



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18 Aug 2011, 4:19 pm

Fnord wrote:
y-pod wrote:
Can Aspies be psychic?

Since there is no valid material evidence to support any claims of physic ability, it is reasonable to say that nobody can be psychic, Aspie or otherwise.


I would like to adopt and endorse the above statement.



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18 Aug 2011, 5:10 pm

^ Permission is granted to use freely, provided text is used unmodified, and the quote is attributed to "Fnord".

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18 Aug 2011, 5:13 pm

TheygoMew wrote:
That would be a nice theory if other people that are around me also seemed to have a biased memory. So when these thing occur, does that mean everyone else who witnessed it as well suddenly they too develop a case of biased memory?

Fascinating but it's still the same old routine done by people who think these things don't really happen because they themselves don't get it.

It's like the question "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

I bet some of you get really upset if people don't believe you have autism too. Then you cry about their ignorance on the subject but because you know your life and what it's been like over autism, you get upset when others put you down or claim you don't have autism and recite some mumbo jumbo stereotype found in the media or perhaps even go on about Rainman and how you are nothing like him. Then they criticize, minimize your struggles then overestimate your abilities but get upset when you don't quite live up to such expectations meanwhile they make these claims that autism is just something that goes away. Some even think you just need to be kicked around. Your parents are to blame. Then you notice some of these people are teachers who claim they understand autism and throw out the teacher card then recite ignorant statements.

Those people don't HAVE autism. So therefore you don't either! You look "normal" to me they exclaim because they think autism means you look like you have down syndrome. They are very superficial and if you look cute you are normal. So then they start seeing you as their test subject and set off your sensory issues on purpose to either say "I have power over you" or to disprove you have autism.

Now think about it. How would you feel if you were in my position? Where the vast majority is even less tolerant if you have these abilities and add on top of that autism. You get shoved further into the freak pit.


Autism has been proven to exist. There is no proof for psychic abilities.


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18 Aug 2011, 5:17 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Well, you know Fnord, savants do exist and many of them are on the autistic spectrum. Some of them are Aspies. I consider savantism a form of psychic phenomena. Are you going to say there are no such things as savants?

No, I'm going to say that your subjective equivocation of "Savantism" is both erroneous and fallacious. Merriam-Webster defines "Savant" as: "a person of learning; especially : one with detailed knowledge in some specialized field (as of science or literature)". Thus, Savants exist, but since there is no valid material evidence to support any claims of physic ability, it is reasonable to say that nobody can be psychic, Aspie, Savant, or otherwise.
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Therefore, Aspies are at an advantage for experiencing psychic phenomena than the general population. It's elementary, dear Fnord.

Your proposition breaks down due to lack of objective evidence, false assumption, and equivocation.
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
If you want to know if savants exist and if any of them are Aspies or Auties, do a google search ;)

Aspies, Auties, and Savants exist. Psychics, in all likelihood, do not.



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18 Aug 2011, 5:57 pm

That's just your opinion, Fnord, and that's fine for you but I don't have to share it.

I am not going by the Webster's definition of savant. I am going by the autistic definition- someone who can do wondrous, inexplicable
acts with the mind, whether that be thinking or otherwise.

I have just as much right to call these abilities 'psychic' in orientation as people have to say it's a matter of being a savant since savants do not study. Their ability appears innate and is thought to be connected to their autism.



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18 Aug 2011, 6:20 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's just your opinion, Fnord, and that's fine for you but I don't have to share it.

You don't have to assume that you are correct, either, so why try?
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I am not going by the Webster's definition of savant.

... so you are going to make up one of your own ...
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I am going by the autistic definition- someone who can do wondrous, inexplicable acts with the mind, whether that be thinking or otherwise.

What "autistic definition"? Yours? You can't just change the meaning of words to support a fantastic claim, you have to follow established definitions to be taken seriously.
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I have just as much right to call these abilities 'psychic' in orientation as people have to say it's a matter of being a savant since savants do not study. Their ability appears innate and is thought to be connected to their autism.

Being a savant is an established fact, while being a psychic is being a fake, a fraud, and a liar.



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18 Aug 2011, 8:33 pm

I'm not a fake fraud or a liar.

This example of lack of empathy right here exists in everyone.

For example when Tom Cruise was bashing Brooke Shields over post partum depression acting as if just mere vitamins would help her.

Then his wife got pregnant and oops, he had to apologize to Brooke Shields because suddenly it hit home.

Just because you yourself don't experience it doesn't mean others do not. So being called a fake, fraud and a liar is rather insulting. What I experience is real and the people who have been around to witness it aren't loons either. As a matter of fact they didn't believe what I was trying to warn them about and did the opposite. :roll: