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12 Mar 2011, 8:11 pm

I cut my mother out of my life two years ago because of it... among other things.

I know how I feel. Don't correct me, as I'm the only one that can come to the correct conclusion.


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12 Mar 2011, 10:40 pm

That thread was started by an autistic self-advocate who clearly has severe communication difficulties. I usually ignore his posts because I can't understand a word he says and the little I've been able to parse, I've never agreed with a word of it. I can't tell whether he's being disrespectful and rude or just communicating badly. I'm not even always sure what position he's advocating.


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12 Mar 2011, 11:23 pm

DandelionFireworks wrote:
That thread was started by an autistic self-advocate who clearly has severe communication difficulties. I usually ignore his posts because I can't understand a word he says and the little I've been able to parse, I've never agreed with a word of it. I can't tell whether he's being disrespectful and rude or just communicating badly. I'm not even always sure what position he's advocating.


yeah been spending too much energy on that thread as well.

it's sad that moderation is such a rare commodity


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12 Mar 2011, 11:29 pm

DandelionFireworks wrote:
That thread was started by an autistic self-advocate who clearly has severe communication difficulties. I usually ignore his posts because I can't understand a word he says and the little I've been able to parse, I've never agreed with a word of it. I can't tell whether he's being disrespectful and rude or just communicating badly. I'm not even always sure what position he's advocating.


The third option is that he is disrespectful, rude, and communicating badly.

I do not know which one is specifically true, although I know which one I'd guess if asked.



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13 Mar 2011, 12:30 am

Verdandi wrote:
DandelionFireworks wrote:
That thread was started by an autistic self-advocate who clearly has severe communication difficulties. I usually ignore his posts because I can't understand a word he says and the little I've been able to parse, I've never agreed with a word of it. I can't tell whether he's being disrespectful and rude or just communicating badly. I'm not even always sure what position he's advocating.


The third option is that he is disrespectful, rude, and communicating badly.

I do not know which one is specifically true, although I know which one I'd guess if asked.


Oh you guys are talking about that ci guy. I NEVER read anything he posts anymore. It is all trash. He was actually banned from another autistic site entirely for being rude and posting like a troll.

http://www.aspieweb.net/nathan-young-autism-troll/

Personally, I think he is just highly dillusional and also perhaps a bit psycho. LOL!


All that said.... I am pro-cure and I feel like I get more crap for that opinion than any of you guys get for being anti-cure. Seems that autistic people are not allowed to be for research and possible cure of autism for some reason.



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13 Mar 2011, 12:36 am

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All that said.... I am pro-cure and I feel like I get more crap for that opinion than any of you guys get for being anti-cure. Seems that autistic people are not allowed to be for research and possible cure of autism for some reason.


I am pro-cure too. I don't even like to say it because people act as if I was supporting genocide.



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13 Mar 2011, 12:52 am

I don't care if people are pro-cure, although I think that a cure is unlikely and thus a waste of resources that might be better spent in other ways. I get annoyed when my position or the overall position gets misrepresented. Like characterizing ASAN as anti-choice because it is it is anti-cure.



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13 Mar 2011, 1:02 am

Why can't Asperger's Syndrome and ASD be interchangeable? Autism is a continuum.



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13 Mar 2011, 1:11 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Why can't Asperger's Syndrome and ASD be interchangeable? Autism is a continuum.


Asperger's Syndrome implies certain visible symptoms/qualities. While "autistic" seems to imply other qualities, the criteria for AS were developed to diagnose people who needed the diagnosis and were otherwise falling through the cracks even if they fit the criteria for ASD, or in other words was developed as a subcategory of autism, rather than as new terminology to describe the spectrum.



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13 Mar 2011, 1:15 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Why can't Asperger's Syndrome and ASD be interchangeable? Autism is a continuum.


I know many will disagree but to me ASD stands for all the disorders, and everything inbetween. AS and autism are specific disorders in that continuum, that share similarities, but also have enough differences wheree if one means the whole continuum they should use ASD. This is why I'm not a big fan of the word autistic because it means both someone with classical autism and someone with an ASD. It has a lot of ambuiguity which confuses things. There are many times when I want to say autism and mean autism, not the spectrum.

*I recognize there are no neat categories, but I still think a distinction exists between AS and autism and I honor that in how I describe them



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13 Mar 2011, 1:27 am

poppyfields wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Why can't Asperger's Syndrome and ASD be interchangeable? Autism is a continuum.


I know many will disagree but to me ASD stands for all the disorders, and everything inbetween. AS and autism are specific disorders in that continuum, that share similarities, but also have enough differences wheree if one means the whole continuum they should use ASD. This is why I'm not a big fan of the word autistic because it means both someone with classical autism and someone with an ASD. It has a lot of ambuiguity which confuses things. There are many times when I want to say autism and mean autism, not the spectrum.

*I recognize there are no neat categories, but I still think a distinction exists between AS and autism and I honor that in how I describe them

Someone can start out severe and end up as an adult displaying Asperger's Syndrome. Someone with Asperger's Syndrome might go from fluent speech to muteness, then back again. Asperger's Syndrome can display different symptoms at different times, which makes us just as autistic as someone with autism. In fact, Asperger's is autism and there aren't any subcatagories, just levels of severity and these can fluctuate over a lifetime. You can start out with very little speech and developmental delays and end up as a scholar with multiple degrees. Would you call the scholar autistic or Asperger's? If the scholar has Asperger's, then why the speech delay? Why the developmental delays?
According to the DSM, Asperger's has neither.
What if you start out the other way, talkative and Dxed Asperger's as a child but growing quieter and more self absorbed when older? Are you going to say the person dxed has Asperger's no matter what the adulthood is liked based on the childhood dx? Or, can you just say the person has autism and make it less confusing for all involved.