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12 Apr 2011, 5:02 am

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I'm not sure I understand the bus situation. The ones here in Silicon Valley have a door at the front where you enter, pay, and go sit. The back door is for exiting only.


Yeah not here. Here you are meant to entre at the front but half the buses have pram storage in the middle next to the back door. It is F**** So try saying to an Autistic child, "No we must push through all these people standing while trying not to get your leash tangelled around poles and your sisters leash so we can get down to where we always sit. And we can't get on at the back door today like we usually do because we don't have the pram with us for the first time ever." 8O Yeah that won't cause a meltdown. :roll:

BTW the transport here sucks.


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12 Apr 2011, 5:36 am

Hello Solvejg

I also live in Australia and I agree the public transport is bad at times, if not all the time especially the train system (aka cityrail). I don't know about you but sometimes crowds scare me, they get overwhelming and I understand where you are coming from. Poor handling from the bus company, it should of been dealt with more professionally btw



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12 Apr 2011, 7:07 am

while I agree the professionalism of both the driver and the company are highly at question, the simple message of what they are trying to get across is not. it is not anyone else job to treat you specially because of your children's situation in life, you must still constrain them when they need constrain and discipline them when they need discipline. Having your child run around flapping his arms and jump up and down yelling at a bus stop isn't proper behavior (NT or other wise) nor is allowing them to bum rush the back door of a bus so they can grab what they assume and you let them be entitled too as "their seats". They are young children and you need to accompany them at all times in public until they are old enough mentally and physically to act in a safe, socially acceptable manner. If you want to let them run around, yelling and flapping their arms in a playground, at your house, in your office, in their rooms etc that's fine and I more then agree with the decision as I believe such things promote creativity and openness that seems to be lacking in general society today. But allowing said behavior on a public road, at a bus stop which is near a curb where cars are traveling at 30+mph is NOT okay, nor is it okay on a public transit system such as a bus. Allowing your kid to run amock just to prevent a meltdown isn't a good reason either at some point in his life he is going to have to understand that not everything is going to go his way, if he learns that melting down seems to solve the problem and gets him what he wants then you are doing him a disservice when he starts schooling and is surely going to run into problems of not always getting his way.

They did not ban your son from all public transport, they simply stated that your son is too young to be allowed on the bus on his own for any period of time, which I totally agree with, at 3yrs old i highly doubt ANY child no matter how gifted should be left for even a second on their own on any type of public transit.



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12 Apr 2011, 7:09 am

I see that you're in Australia. My advice to you is never take autistic children on a Metro Bus. Those are like are smaller redder version of The Knight Bus. I took it once and it felt like it was trying to enter hyperspace and it was jumpy and crowded. They actually have less seats than regular buses. It was meltdown central for me. I had to get off early to keep my sanity.

Yeah the services here do suck. I hate catching buses and avoid it when I can. Sorry you had to go through it and I'm not a parent but I think it's best to keep your kids close to you so nothing happens to them. There's many accidents around buses. It was horrible how the bus driver yelled at you and that your son was banned if not restrained properly. There's still a lot of ignorance out there and people think most uncontrollable kids are just bad kids or that they have lazy parents. But I know that isn't always true. I was once the autistic child that wandered off.

Do you know of Autism Rainbow Services? You should tell them about this.


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12 Apr 2011, 7:21 am

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while I agree the professionalism of both the driver and the company are highly at question, the simple message of what they are trying to get across is not. it is not anyone else job to treat you specially because of your children's situation in life, you must still constrain them when they need constrain and discipline them when they need discipline. Having your child run around flapping his arms and jump up and down yelling at a bus stop isn't proper behavior (NT or other wise) nor is allowing them to bum rush the back door of a bus so they can grab what they assume and you let them be entitled too as "their seats". They are young children and you need to accompany them at all times in public until they are old enough mentally and physically to act in a safe, socially acceptable manner. If you want to let them run around, yelling and flapping their arms in a playground, at your house, in your office, in their rooms etc that's fine and I more then agree with the decision as I believe such things promote creativity and openness that seems to be lacking in general society today. But allowing said behavior on a public road, at a bus stop which is near a curb where cars are traveling at 30+mph is NOT okay, nor is it okay on a public transit system such as a bus. Allowing your kid to run amock just to prevent a meltdown isn't a good reason either at some point in his life he is going to have to understand that not everything is going to go his way, if he learns that melting down seems to solve the problem and gets him what he wants then you are doing him a disservice when he starts schooling and is surely going to run into problems of not always getting his way.

They did not ban your son from all public transport, they simply stated that your son is too young to be allowed on the bus on his own for any period of time, which I totally agree with, at 3yrs old i highly doubt ANY child no matter how gifted should be left for even a second on their own on any type of public transit.



Oh my god....... Do you have kids? My son is at school soon. If i can't trust my kids to climb 5 stairs and sit down or stand still for 10 seconds, who am i? How about you carry 40+ kilos of toddlers up the front steps of a bus and push past 15 people who are standing while they are screaming because they are going in the wrong door and then tell me, my children jumping up and down on the spot with a leash on is dangerous. They were happy to catch a bus.

maybe we should give you one LFA child to deal with for a day. He was fine until his normal seat was taken, which usually i can help him through but having someone screaming at us as well. was enough to push him over the edge.


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12 Apr 2011, 8:03 am

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while I agree the professionalism of both the driver and the company are highly at question, the simple message of what they are trying to get across is not. it is not anyone else job to treat you specially because of your children's situation in life, you must still constrain them when they need constrain and discipline them when they need discipline. Having your child run around flapping his arms and jump up and down yelling at a bus stop isn't proper behavior (NT or other wise) nor is allowing them to bum rush the back door of a bus so they can grab what they assume and you let them be entitled too as "their seats". They are young children and you need to accompany them at all times in public until they are old enough mentally and physically to act in a safe, socially acceptable manner. If you want to let them run around, yelling and flapping their arms in a playground, at your house, in your office, in their rooms etc that's fine and I more then agree with the decision as I believe such things promote creativity and openness that seems to be lacking in general society today. But allowing said behavior on a public road, at a bus stop which is near a curb where cars are traveling at 30+mph is NOT okay, nor is it okay on a public transit system such as a bus. Allowing your kid to run amock just to prevent a meltdown isn't a good reason either at some point in his life he is going to have to understand that not everything is going to go his way, if he learns that melting down seems to solve the problem and gets him what he wants then you are doing him a disservice when he starts schooling and is surely going to run into problems of not always getting his way.

They did not ban your son from all public transport, they simply stated that your son is too young to be allowed on the bus on his own for any period of time, which I totally agree with, at 3yrs old i highly doubt ANY child no matter how gifted should be left for even a second on their own on any type of public transit.



Oh my god....... Do you have kids? My son is at school soon. If i can't trust my kids to climb 5 stairs and sit down or stand still for 10 seconds, who am i? How about you carry 40+ kilos of toddlers up the front steps of a bus and push past 15 people who are standing while they are screaming because they are going in the wrong door and then tell me, my children jumping up and down on the spot with a leash on is dangerous. They were happy to catch a bus.

maybe we should give you one LFA child to deal with for a day. He was fine until his normal seat was taken, which usually i can help him through but having someone screaming at us as well. was enough to push him over the edge.


okay, so there's a difference between carrying them and holding onto their leashes. a 3 year old shouldn't be left alone, it's a 3 year old! why couldn't you have gone to the bus driver WITH THE CHILDREN, asked if you can jump in the back, and then gotten off, walked to the back, and gotten back on? that doesn't sound unreasonable to me and the kids get to sit where they want.



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12 Apr 2011, 8:04 am

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while I agree the professionalism of both the driver and the company are highly at question, the simple message of what they are trying to get across is not [questionable] ...


... If i can't trust my [children] to climb 5 stairs and sit down or stand still for 10 seconds, who am i?

Now that you have given more details about your situation, it seems obvious you are not a negligent mother.

Question: Do you believe it reasonable for the bus driver to automatically notice your son is autistic and to simply dismiss his behaviour for that reason and/or while assuming you really do actually have everything under control so that no child will be found under one of the tires on his bus either after he comes to a stop or takes off once again?

Not meaning to beat you up at all here, just please put yourself in that driver's place. I know of a bus driver who once ran over his very own son he was sure he understood and could trust to only do safe things.


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12 Apr 2011, 8:13 am

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Solvejg wrote:
DCxMagus wrote:
while I agree the professionalism of both the driver and the company are highly at question, the simple message of what they are trying to get across is not [questionable] ...


... If i can't trust my [children] to climb 5 stairs and sit down or stand still for 10 seconds, who am i?

Now that you have given more details about your situation, it seems obvious you are not a negligent mother.

Question: Do you believe it reasonable for the bus driver to automatically notice your son is autistic and to simply dismiss his behaviour for that reason and/or while assuming you really do actually have everything under control so that no child will be found under one of the tires on his bus either after he comes to a stop or takes off once again?

Not meaning to beat you up at all here, just please put yourself in that driver's place. I know of a bus driver who once ran over his very own son he was sure he understood and could trust to only do safe things.


He was jumping up and down and flapping like he was about to take off. so full on stereotypical autistic stim. I can only surmise the bus driver had never seen even a movie with an autistic person on it. It was very obvious.

Even if the bus driver didn't know and was worried about it so raised his voice. Why did he continue to yell more after i advised him he was autistic? Seems quite silly to me. :?


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12 Apr 2011, 8:20 am

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Even if the bus driver didn't know and was worried about it so raised his voice. Why did he continue to yell more after i advised him he was autistic? Seems quite silly to me. :?

Just as the driver does not know the details of your life, neither do you understand his. He has a route to cover within an allotted time and he is allowed "zero tolerance" in relation to running over people. His yelling and lecturing were unacceptable, yet they are completely understandable.


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12 Apr 2011, 8:36 am

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Even if the bus driver didn't know and was worried about it so raised his voice. Why did he continue to yell more after i advised him he was autistic? Seems quite silly to me. :?

Just as the driver does not know the details of your life, neither do you understand his. He has a route to cover within an allotted time and he is allowed "zero tolerance" in relation to running over people. His yelling and lecturing were unacceptable, yet they are completely understandable.


The thing is i could understand it until he keep yelling. I was very lucky to keep it together until i got home where i went downhill after the event for about a week. I had a full on meltdown myself. It was an awful situation.

I can't even begin to think what could have provoked him to do it. Or at the very least to lie to the transport board. He could have said he was having a bad day instead of saying my son was on the road. The whole transport system here sucks, where i live is ok because i am just out of the city centre but the whole thing needs an overhaul.

I am not sure how others would cope with a bus driver yelling at you about the fact you are a bad parent on a packed bus.


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12 Apr 2011, 8:46 am

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The thing is i could understand it until he keep yelling ...

I can't even begin to think what could have provoked him to do it.

He actually might have realized he had gone way too far with his lecture and all, and then he might have lied to the main office in order to feel confident about being able to maintain his particular kind/view of "order" on his route ... and maybe some kind of "perfect record" is required in order for him to eventually be able to drive a newer bus. You have a legitimate complaint about how the driver handled that situation, but the company is naturally going to stick up for him since it (the company) is more concerned about its own safety record than about public relations.

Hang in there, and keep being the best mom you know how to be!


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12 Apr 2011, 9:00 am

Well, if someone steps in front of me suddenly and I can't stop in time, we collide and fall down I might yell at them for being inconsiderate jerks. But if it turned out they were blind or had severe vision problems I'd be the jerk if I then kept piling on after finding out why the incident happened. Sometimes we make allowances for people's limitations, like not screaming at old people to hurry up. I'm with her, yelling at people after they explain is a d**k thing to do.



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I'm with her, yelling at people after they explain is a d**k thing to do.

Nobody disagrees with that, but that is not where any of this began. That driver might have nearly s**t his pants just prior to over-reacting.


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12 Apr 2011, 9:24 am

Im with you. I am a mother and I can see the situation in my head clearly, I dont understand why anyone is NOT seeing what happened unless they are not a parent. Parents of NTs and AS children do this ALL. THE. TIME. It is NOT unusual to let your kids go ahead of you a short distance while you take care of something. A bus is only so big, her kids were not going a mile from her, nor could they go far, its a bus. You can see everyone while standing at the front. And who cares if they sit in the same seats every day? When we go to church we sit in the same pew. We call it our pew. When a visitor sits there and we have to move my kids say "Someone sat in our pew?" They are NT so there is no melt downs. But I can imagine this would be difficult for a child with AS.

I think everyone is reading far to much into what she could have done wrong instead of what the bus driver and company blatently did wrong.



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I think everyone is reading far to much into what she could have done wrong instead of what the bus driver and company blatantly did wrong.

I do not think she did anything wrong, but that does not mean the driver did everything wrong. Please try to place yourself in that driver's seat for just a moment ...

You are approaching a stop where a three-year-old is jumping and waving in obvious excitement right at the curb and you will either have to stop a ways back to be sure he is safe or else just hope he will be as you continue on with him being out of your sight for those final seconds as you come to a stop.


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Im with you. I am a mother and I can see the situation in my head clearly, I dont understand why anyone is NOT seeing what happened unless they are not a parent. Parents of NTs and AS children do this ALL. THE. TIME. It is NOT unusual to let your kids go ahead of you a short distance while you take care of something. A bus is only so big, her kids were not going a mile from her, nor could they go far, its a bus. You can see everyone while standing at the front. And who cares if they sit in the same seats every day? When we go to church we sit in the same pew. We call it our pew. When a visitor sits there and we have to move my kids say "Someone sat in our pew?" They are NT so there is no melt downs. But I can imagine this would be difficult for a child with AS.

I think everyone is reading far to much into what she could have done wrong instead of what the bus driver and company blatently did wrong.


Except in the OP it didn't happen quite like that. If the kids had gotten on in front of her (as my daughter routinely does) and then gone down the aisle of the bus, there may have been no problem. But the kids went in through a different door than her, meaning that they were outside the bus while she was in the front with the driver. Thus the driver yelled about the kid who had been run over by a bus recently elsewhere. He was probably scared that the children could potentially run around behind the exterior of the bus. They didn't. But at that young age it's a risk.