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19 Apr 2011, 1:41 am

Is no one else feeling like they've just been called subhuman?


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19 Apr 2011, 3:53 am

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From this NT perspective, Autistics are too logical, and inflexible in their opinions. They seem like rocks, solid and un-moving; incapable of the cognitive flexibility that most humans have.


My impression is that "normal" people don't have particular "cognitive flexibility" to change their ideias; what they have is "emotional flexibility" to accept compromises: they are not more prone to understand that their ideia is wrong and the ideia of the other is right; what they are more prone is to (continuing to think that their ideia is right and the ideia of the other is wrong) make a compromise as a way to go along with the other.

In another words (and using the Big Five terminology) they don't have more "oppeness"; what they have is more "agreableaness".



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19 Apr 2011, 4:00 am

Phonic wrote:
Is no one else feeling like they've just been called subhuman?


There is.



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19 Apr 2011, 5:44 am

rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
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The world does not operate on logic.


Well, I guess Newton and Einstein were wrong all along.

Their theories successfully explain many natural phenomenon using only logic and thought experiments; so I'm not so sure you can make a blanket statement like that.


Both were eccentric autistics who despite their speech delays became the darlings of the NT world...



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19 Apr 2011, 6:11 am

cyberdad wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
pascalflower wrote:
The world does not operate on logic.


Well, I guess Newton and Einstein were wrong all along.

Their theories successfully explain many natural phenomenon using only logic and thought experiments; so I'm not so sure you can make a blanket statement like that.


Both were eccentric autistics who despite their speech delays became the darlings of the NT world...


And both would bristle at such an unscientific assertion based on anecdotal evidence.


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19 Apr 2011, 7:35 am

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The neurotypical world isn't some fantastic place full of 'normal' people who don't have their own set of problems either. Some neurotypicals can actually be less feeling than those with a form of autism.

I have come across a few inhumane neurotypicals in my time.

Yes, this, times a thousand. Possibly more. Bolded, underlined, with emphasis in all caps.


As for the world operating in logic... the universe at large may operate on natural logical laws that make perfect sense once you understand them. Humans and most that is to do with human society however rarely does.You can try applying logic to human society. It will drive you insane. I'm not kidding about that, trying to point out how what people are doing is causing the exact opposite of what they claim to want to happen will: A. not yield any results most of the time and B. happen frequently enough that if you let it get to you eventually it simply overwhelms you. It leads to being the person in the psych ward screaming "Just put the damn cheese back!! How complicate can that be?!?!". And the cheese won't get put back in there even despite that. The cheese never gets put back where it belongs.



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19 Apr 2011, 7:43 am

KBerg wrote:

As for the world operating in logic... the universe at large may operate on natural logical laws that make perfect sense once you understand them.


The universe just operates. Logic is a human attempt at describing that operation.


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19 Apr 2011, 8:25 am

Phonic wrote:
Is no one else feeling like they've just been called subhuman?

Well, yes, hence my reply. But, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt in the vain hope that they'd do the same for me if I misspoke (which I often do).



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19 Apr 2011, 8:56 am

Phonic wrote:
Is no one else feeling like they've just been called subhuman?


Well, rocks have been around a lot longer than humans so maybe everyone else is sub-rock.


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19 Apr 2011, 9:05 am

Maybe it's just because people take us for granite?

Sorry, someone had to say it. :wink: Every time a horribly play on words is left untaken a kitten cries.



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19 Apr 2011, 9:23 am

KBerg wrote:
Maybe it's just because people take us for granite?

Sorry, someone had to say it. :wink: Every time a horribly play on words is left untaken a kitten cries.


You are right, of quartz. I shale stop now.



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19 Apr 2011, 9:34 am

Janissy wrote:
KBerg wrote:
Maybe it's just because people take us for granite?

Sorry, someone had to say it. :wink: Every time a horribly play on words is left untaken a kitten cries.


You are right, of quartz. I shale stop now.


Are NT's full of schist?


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19 Apr 2011, 9:46 am

I think you guys have taken the "rock" part a bit too literal. Secondly it was meant from an NT perspective, so it should seem totally different from your normal perspectives. The point wasn't name calling however. It was an analogy. People use analogy to see things "differently", in order to more clearly illustrate a portion of the matter that they would normally overlook if they just interpret things the way they are used to doing.



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19 Apr 2011, 11:54 am

pascalflower wrote:
I think you guys have taken the "rock" part a bit too literal. Secondly it was meant from an NT perspective, so it should seem totally different from your normal perspectives. The point wasn't name calling however. It was an analogy. People use analogy to see things "differently", in order to more clearly illustrate a portion of the matter that they would normally overlook if they just interpret things the way they are used to doing.


This wasn't an analogy, and is the part people are responding to:

pascalflower wrote:
In talking to people with Autism, it doesn't feel natural. There is a lack of human(-ness) to conversations. It's like talking to a rock, that can say anything like a human, but isn't quite human. From this NT perspective, Autistics are too logical, and inflexible in their opinions. They seem like rocks, solid and un-moving; incapable of the cognitive flexibility that most humans have.


It struck me like your blanket statement regarding something that autistic people are all supposedly incapable of comprehending in another thread yesterday.



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19 Apr 2011, 11:58 am

pascalflower wrote:
I think you guys have taken the "rock" part a bit too literal.


Uh. ASPERGER'S!! !! Literal thinking.

Geez. You're dumber than a box of rocks. :wink:


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19 Apr 2011, 12:20 pm

pascalflower wrote:
I think you guys have taken the "rock" part a bit too literal. Secondly it was meant from an NT perspective, so it should seem totally different from your normal perspectives. The point wasn't name calling however. It was an analogy. People use analogy to see things "differently", in order to more clearly illustrate a portion of the matter that they would normally overlook if they just interpret things the way they are used to doing.

I dunno about everyone else, but I was just going with the flow and making silly puns. :-) It's this AS thing I do, just going with it and having fun. Or wait, is that an AS thing? I get confused, ever since we AS and NTs split up I'm confused on who gets custody over which character trait and when - is this our week to have whimsy? It's cool dude, I know analogies, but you presented an opportunity to make a really awful pun - someone held a gun to my head, I was powerless to resist! :wink: