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05 Aug 2006, 6:18 am

I don't care, but I don't not care either, I'm simply not attached. I accept that these things happen.


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05 Aug 2006, 7:54 am

MrMark wrote:
I don't care, but I don't not care either, I'm simply not attached. I accept that these things happen.


I'm somewhere near that. I try to keep a sense of proportion, so in fact I'm more horrified by the reaction to 9/11 than the event itself.

The number of premature deaths in the twin towers is just a shade less than that achieved on America's roads every month. And I'd be just as dead if I was caught up on an attack on my society as if someone just couldn't be bothered to look at a junction. And that's many times more likely.

Sorry, thread drift.



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05 Aug 2006, 9:56 am

9/11: To be honest, I didn't really care. People die sooner or later, and this was their destiny. Fate is unavoidable. I suppose it helps that I didn't know any of these people, I'm not American and I had nothing emotionally invested in anything that has been affected. I hope I haven't offended anybody.

God creating people with AS: Umm, he actually didn't. If you even believe in God, then you would understand that he just created man and AS has developed over many thousands of years. It's an anomaly, or at least something that isn't naturally occuring in the brain. Once again, I ask people to correct me if I'm wrong. Life is nothing if not a learning experience.

Oh yeah, I'm also sick of people using Him for an excuse for personal failings or upsets.



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05 Aug 2006, 11:19 am

9/11: I cared. I wasn't any more angry about the Terrorists did then many of the attrocities commited by America before and after though.

God and AS: God made people with AS because he realized he could do better.

I was about to launch into this angry rant where I'm essentially yelling at you to stop hating yourself, but than sanity kicked in, and instead I'll write an angry rant about how one could come to such a conclusion, and suggest you stop hating yourself.

Asperger's does not cause your suffering. It's our self destructive culture that pretty much demands everyone suffer. Even the rich supposedly successful people are supposed feel terrible. We practically worship this system even though it's so blatantly flawed.
Part of this, is that anyone who is different and more than likely has something to contribute is looked down on and hated. Some people will pity you, and will try to "help" you, by trying to eliminate your differences. Some will say that it's okay to be who you are, even if that is a failed parasite in their mind (they will put it in terms that make them feel like they aren't being mean to you).
We with Asperger's Syndrome are this way for a reason. Maybe they didn't have AS specifically, but their where an awful lot of awfully brilliant people, that contributed an awful lot to humanity that had some traits very Asperger's like.
What's more, many people with AS do contribute a lot to humanity.
I don't think it's a coincidence. How we are seems to be strongly biased towards solving problems. That also might explain why we aren't born with many of the innate NT communication mechanisms. To provoke more questions, and to give us more time to think about solving problems.

You want to say something Heretical? Why don't you try, "Why does god allow NT society to be so cruel?"

And you really should stop hating yourself, and recognize that you have a tremendous potential for greatness, one that NTs for the most part do not have. Fight with your flaws. Find ways to overcome them. You will become stronger in the struggle.



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05 Aug 2006, 11:24 am

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God creating people with AS: Umm, he actually didn't. If you even believe in God, then you would understand that he just created man and AS has developed over many thousands of years. It's an anomaly, or at least something that isn't naturally occuring in the brain. Once again, I ask people to correct me if I'm wrong. Life is nothing if not a learning experience.


Asperger's Syndrome, and Autism in general seem to have a strong genetic link. So it is very likely that it is naturally occuring in the brain.

There are apparantly genetic tests for Autism/Asperger's, though it's not quite certain what genes exactly cause it. (Seems to be between 3-15).

At least, this is what I've heard.

There's some stuff about Mercury, but it looks like this could just be bad science and quacks trying to make a quick buck.



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05 Aug 2006, 12:52 pm

i don't let this bother me because i don't believe in god in the traditional sence.



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05 Aug 2006, 1:55 pm

Maybe God is on the spectrum and made man in his own image.

Maybe Eve with the asp and the apple was the start of NT ism.



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05 Aug 2006, 2:33 pm

MrMark wrote:
I don't care, but I don't not care either, I'm simply not attached. I accept that these things happen.


That's pretty much how I feel, I've been pressured to give money and feel bad for the victims, but I just can't do it, I guess empathy's not my strong suit.



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05 Aug 2006, 3:03 pm

God gave us 9/11 for a chance for us to show compassion for people...?

You mean like to give this countrys government a chance to declare war on Iraq...there was mass insainity in this coutry following 9/11...people were so afraid (illogicaly,so)about their own personal safety, that they were more then willing to justify invading another country...after 4 years of destroying the countrys infrustructure and replacing it with "democracy" we now have a civil war there...and we are suprised?The reason the country had some stubility under the tyrany of Sudam, is because he maintaned relative "order" throught Tyrany!!!Have we forgotten USA own "birth pangs" we started with the genocid of indigenous population, years of slavery,our own civil war and the continued manipulation of other countrys economys and exploitation of our own working class.I
know this country has some good people who have fought and sacrificed for social justice and humanitarian issues, but I think we need to focua more on improving the "actual" democracy of our own country(as proven in past two elections)befor we can successfuly export it to other countrys.

God did or did not make me to have AS...so I could rant about social injustices instead of what Mel Gibson did or did not say about Jewish people....but thats just me...he may have something else in mind for your AS...like empathising with those poor NTs who live their lives based on social conformity, mass hystaria,materialism and the quest for social status...


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05 Aug 2006, 7:06 pm

davethecave wrote:
Maybe God is on the spectrum and made man in his own image.

Maybe Eve with the asp and the apple was the start of NT ism.


Well... he made a a world that is beautifully ordered in many ways but is still a screwed up and confusing place...
and he sacrificed his only son for the sake of his pet project.
That sounds like an Aspergian to me. :)


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05 Aug 2006, 7:25 pm

Acutally Ken you got it all wrong. God didn't create these mental issues and things like that but it is when eve and adam sinned against God. Eve and Adam were the first to let evil into the world. Kind of like a pandoras box when eve ate the apple. Satan is the one that you should be mad at. Satan as in another way is Hades in the greek. The Apple, Pandoras box are one in the same. Both unleashed sin and all evil into the world. The Chaos theory is I think one in the same no order in the universation total Chaos. That's why God exists to create order.


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05 Aug 2006, 7:31 pm

Mitch8817 wrote:
God creating people with AS: Umm, he actually didn't. If you even believe in God, then you would understand that he just created man and AS has developed over many thousands of years. It's an anomaly, or at least something that isn't naturally occuring in the brain. Once again, I ask people to correct me if I'm wrong. Life is nothing if not a learning experience.
Your logic makes no sense. If a God created us, what stops him from guiding our evolution, and creating AS? Think people!

As for 9/11, I agree with MrMark.



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05 Aug 2006, 7:49 pm

Actually the logic as holes in it but if I gathered more information I could come up with a good theory. I think I have something though.


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05 Aug 2006, 8:11 pm

>>Your logic makes no sense. If a God created us, what stops him from guiding our evolution, and creating AS? Think people!<<

Nothing stops God from doing anything (remember, that whoile omnipotence thing) - except for God himself. It is a little thing called free will that he has bestowed upon us. He started the universe and let it go from there - no inteference (apart from the whole Jesus thing, but I'm pretty sure you can understand why he did that).



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05 Aug 2006, 8:13 pm

"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived"
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I've come to the conclusion there isn't a god, but you shouldn't fret if you have AS. Do you have any special abilities that others don't? I for one have a WAIS score of 99% (meaning I scored higher than 99% of people that took it); I'm apparently some super-smart type. Unfortunately, I'm also very impulsive and undisciplined, which is why my grades don't show this, but meh.

The point is that social cues are a weakness, but you can learn how to read them, if not instinctually then academically. If you have a friend you trust, or a family member, be honest about this, maybe have them help you out with social training. It's frustrating, but it's not an insurmountable difficulty.



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05 Aug 2006, 8:15 pm

MagicMike wrote:
I've come to the conclusion there isn't a god
i think he's a space alien :)