Could an aspergers male give a speech like this? [HITLER]

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One thing is known about Hitler and autism.
It was not the autistics that followed him.

Well Adolf Hitler had some certainties about him.

He most certainly felt a great deal for his country. Everything he did was to make his country a great empire (like he thought it should be). This may be from learning some history, yet ignoring the important bit- learn from the past :/

He definitely felt the Jews were responsible for the events that came to pass after WWI. This much is obvious. That and his off centre view of history.

He was smart. He knew politics. He is the very ideal of lawful evil. He knew public speaking was important to be in politics so he spent time practising. He promised (and actually delivered for a while) stability to a country with inflation so bad that the actual money paper was worth more than the denomination printed on it. His views again were probably a little off centre but he was a beacon of hope in a country in turmoil.

Now he was good at military strategy too. Though the early successes probably inflated the ego a bit too much.

In personal life though- wasn't he a bit odd? I am not going to say he did or didn't have AS but well here is the reasoning I guess. He was obsessed with his country and bringing it (back) to glory. He was ruthless, precise and efficient in doing it. He learnt what he needed to to get the job done. He was not terribly social in personal life.

I don't have sound on my computer, and this is the first time I really watched his physical gestures; his verbal performance as I remember was very passionate, and indicative of no disorder except maybe mania.

Watching his gesturing though, it doesn't look confident or natural; instead contrived, and somewhat tortured, if that makes sense. Another thing I notice is he always seems to be looking well above the audience almost toward the ceiling. He seems more engaged with himself than the audience. Try watching it with no sound and see if you get a different impression.

As to whether or not he has Aspergers, the behaviors reflected and accepted in historical german culture are somewhat similar to the traits of Aspergers, except there is no evidence of a significantly higher percentage of the diagnosed condition there.

Without the question of Hitler as an individual with Aspergers, I think it would be possible for a person with Aspergers to be able to pull off a passionate speech like this. Temple Grandhin does a pretty good job with Autism; she is more passionate than most speakers I have observed.

And, I don't see where the gesturing that Hitler is making in this speech is more confident or natural that what I have seen of Temple Grandhin. Anxiety and/or anger often fuels passion. I see anger and anxiety in the gesturing that Hitler expresses in that speech.

Historical accounts show many of the Presidents in the United states have been plagued by mental disturbances. And it is evident among world leaders today. I think one could make an argument that Hitler had many different mental disorders.

One thing for sure is; he wasn't normal. If he was on the world stage today acting the way he did in that speech there would be plenty of armchair speculation.

Mussolini speech. Notice any similarities?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPUsXu6CND8&feature=related[/youtube]

Hitler gives a similar speech in German

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ddf00iqDM&feature=related[/youtube]

Better version.

I think Mussolini is more confident in his gesturing, or overconfident with the chin jutting and pursing of lips. Definitely an expressing his Alpha male prowess. Almost looks like the facial display a chimpanzee makes in establishing dominance over other chimpanzees.

Hitler on the other hand, is holding his left arm covering the more private areas of his body in a submissive stance, in opposition to his verbal presentation, but then he goes on to display agressive body language followed by an adjustment of his hair. It does look like he is more aware of the audience and perhaps uncomfortable without a podium.

The adjustment of the hair is unusual for a male world leader giving a speech like that; probably a sign of nervousness or self concsciousness over proper appearance.

I think I do remember John Edwards doing it, I remember Anne Coulter questioning his manhood, over it too.

hi folks,

if your read more about "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" then you will find it reasonable that hitler and mussoline (gaddafi, and probably also osama bin laden) had it too. And there might be some superficial similarities between autism and NPD, but actually they are quite contrary. E.g., autistic people are usually very bad in manipulating people, even more bad then the usualy "normal" people, while NPD people are perfect in that.

I think its clear that Hitler didn't have Autism, and i also think that this rumor is just so well known because AS is a trendy daignosis and hilter is famous itself too. Thus, some wannabe-researcher wanted to become more well-known and thus mixed both together. Thats creative writing, but no scientific approach in my opinion, but this is also how the science community works.

This is of course bad news for us, the autistic people, because as a consequence, if hitler is related with autism, people will continue to think of autistic people as anti-social people, and this prejudice will stay longer.

We should try to fight against this. We should just stick together and write a paper which shows that the claims are not true. Unfortunately this paper is written not in english , but I think it would be right to fight against this nonsense research and not to just sit there and do nothing against this assXXXXX, who do character assasination to us.

thanks,
anton

I agree.

I would add that his body language and gestures look more like those of a chronic amphetamine addict than an aspie to me.