Do you learn mostly by rote memorization?

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Are you primarily a rote learner?
I'm primarily a rote learner 30%  30%  [ 17 ]
I learn primarily be reasoning/critical thinking 39%  39%  [ 22 ]
I rely on both rote learning and reasoning equally 32%  32%  [ 18 ]
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13 May 2011, 11:28 pm

I rely on reasoning and critical thinking. If I don't know why something is what it is, it is very likely I will forget/not understand it. I have to know every process and detail, or else it won't make sense. Which makes learning languages harder, because I have to learn everything "manually", while other people learn and use it with intuition. :P So, often it's hard for me to learn new words, even in my native language, English.



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13 May 2011, 11:40 pm

I can't learn by rote. I have to understand something very well before it lodges itself in my memory. I have to develop a concept of it in my mind, and relate it to other concepts in such a way that it has meaning to me. If the concept is incomplete, uninteresting, or does not cohere with my existing understanding of things, I fail to attach significance to it and it is lost.

I can adapt and evolve my understanding of things, and modify existing concepts in a way that allows for the retention of a new concept, but there has to be sufficient reason to do so. That can be triggered in a number of ways, but it has to happen somehow.

I always read these descriptions of Aspies. They like to memorize model numbers of widgets, bus routes in cities they've never been to, and birthdays of presidents. That's not me.... I can't remember insignificant streams of data. But if I understand the idea of something, it will never leave me.



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14 May 2011, 12:42 am

XFilesGeek wrote:
No.

My rote memory is garbage. I can't memorize facts just for the sake of memorizing them. The facts need to have a meaningful connection and I need to understand the underlying theory before I can "learn" anything. My short-term memory is also garbage.

This. I had to work on both to get on with my life. (ADHD? Other memory problem?)

Physics and Maths I learned mainly by pattern recognition and conceptualization. Verbal rote memorization is just not working to me. Patterns are only for a short time. To learn this language requires a lot of repetition from me.



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14 May 2011, 12:50 am

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This is what is confusing me. I consistently score in the lowest 1-2 percentile in the verbal memory tests posted on this forum and I can't remember names of people or names of drugs in my job but I was good in subjects like organic chemistry and similar sciences that appear to involve rote memorization. I was also much better at multiple choice (recognition tasks) than essay-type questions (recall tasks). I assumed that this is because I have good rote learning skills and bad conceptual stuff. In maths I sucked at work problems but I was pretty good in more repetitive figuring which formula to use stuff. Why do I do so crap on verbal memory tests and yet did so well in "memory-type" courses. This makes no sense to me.

If you could bond their names to faces better, maybe.

One of my friends is similar to this, I think. I have a bad habit I use to think of good rote memory of others as a strong advantage, but I fail to observe areas in which they a weaker, thus wrongly envying them.



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14 May 2011, 2:52 am

deadinhead wrote:
Moog wrote:
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No, I learn best through 'deep understanding' and a small amount of 'bedding in'.

I don't know if I'm a proper aspie though.


I don't think such a thing as a "proper Aspie" exists.


Okay, I'm unsure as to the actual nature of my neurological disorder(s), whether you could label me with asperger's or not.


I don't think you exist.


Thanks for the vote of confidence :lol:


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16 May 2011, 7:44 am

Kon wrote:
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It's been quite true for me and it's probably why I did well in organic chemistry and languages in general. I struggled a lot more with biology, though, which wasn't memorization, but more "deeper concept" stuff. Bleh. Haha.


That's funny you mention organic chemistry. I took the course eons ago and it was a full year pre-med course that was considered one of the tougher courses because of the volume required. The average in the class was always in the low to mid 50s in my university. There were over 800 students in my class. I remember writing the exam and finishing an hour long exam in 10 minutes. I was a total ret*d in the lab so the people in my lab section thought I failed. I got 100% and there were only 2 other people out of 800+ students or so who got that score. I was also exceptional in multiple choice exams. I never took any arts or language courses. I took English and one business course. They were my lowest marks I ever got.

I'm not sure about biology not being rote memorization. I found it was. I found physiology/biochemistry/pharmacology/medicinal chemistry also involved mostly rote memorization. All had mostly multiple choice exams. Now that I think about it, most of the university courses I took involved rote memorization except for some math/physics and arts/humanities courses. I avoided essay exam courses like the plague.

That's great that you also did well in organic chemistry. I found I really enjoyed it. :) I don't think I can boast a 100%, since the tests here aren't designed like that, but I did get mostly A's when I actually bothered to study.

As for biology, it's more the way that the course is taught here, not the subject matter. They make them the questions into puzzles.. which, would be fine, and I like puzzles... but it doesn't really test my true understanding of the material. All it says is whether or not I could figure out which solution the professor was looking for. I dunno what it was, but I found it to be very hard.

Were it strictly memorization, I probably would've done well. Biology lab was much closer to that, and I did extremely well. Memorizing anatomy is a strong point... and I think it should be considering I'd like to be a doctor at some point. :D


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16 May 2011, 9:10 am

Critical thinking is the way to go. My short-term memory is so bad that unless I have a darned good reason to hang on to something (it's interesting to me, or it teaches me a new skill, or something) it usually drops straight out of my head. When I do have to rote-memorize something, it consists of repeating the factoid over and over, then testing myself by seeing if I can remember what it was ten to thirty minutes later (that's how fast it drops - if I remember it by then, I'm probably good).

Sheesh, my mother bought her cell phone years ago and I still haven't memorized the phone number, because I haven't had to call it very often. (The Job Corps office number, on the other hand...)



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16 May 2011, 9:10 am

I use neither. Rote memorization is attempted memorization through repeated exposure. I have an eidetic memory, and learn by a single exposure. Most of the stuff I learn, I don't understand until I learn enough on the topic to put things together as a whole, then almost instantly I'm an expert on the topic.



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16 May 2011, 1:08 pm

syrella wrote:
Were it strictly memorization, I probably would've done well. Biology lab was much closer to that, and I did extremely well. Memorizing anatomy is a strong point... and I think it should be considering I'd like to be a doctor at some point. :D


Medicine (at least the clinical part) was very hard for me (the social interaction part). Also, I was too slow and being introverted/SAD with multitasking problems really messed me up. I had to quit after 2 years once there was a lot of patient interaction. One of my clinical instructors said I had an attitude problem. But the major problem was not attitude but anxiety and social information overload. I would guess that all applied health professions would be difficult for Aspies/SADers/introverts?



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16 May 2011, 3:01 pm

My ability with rote memorisation doesn't serve me well in the long term. I'm generally more able to properly absorb information if I can give an explanation as to how it might be applied, or if I can analyse it as part of a broader concept.



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23 May 2011, 11:04 am

Kon wrote:
syrella wrote:
Were it strictly memorization, I probably would've done well. Biology lab was much closer to that, and I did extremely well. Memorizing anatomy is a strong point... and I think it should be considering I'd like to be a doctor at some point. :D


Medicine (at least the clinical part) was very hard for me (the social interaction part). Also, I was too slow and being introverted/SAD with multitasking problems really messed me up. I had to quit after 2 years once there was a lot of patient interaction. One of my clinical instructors said I had an attitude problem. But the major problem was not attitude but anxiety and social information overload. I would guess that all applied health professions would be difficult for Aspies/SADers/introverts?

Yeah, that is my concern. I fail at multi-tasking, and while I can do some social stuff, it drains me over time. Lately I've been thinking I might have to do medical research instead or do something that doesn't require as much interaction. Whatever the case, I doubt that four years of medical school will hurt, so I'm pushing forward in that regard. We'll see how it all turns out, I guess.


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23 May 2011, 11:27 am

This is the only way i can learn!



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23 May 2011, 11:30 am

Unfortunately, I learn by rote memorization.



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24 May 2011, 3:22 am

This is also true of NVLD, and I probably fit that description better.

Even before I knew anything about ANYTHING, years ago, people would say I was "scary smart" and I would tell them that I wasn't and just had a really good memory.

lol. I can use critical thinking and logic, it's not difficult. but I will often neglect logic and critical thinking in favor of rote memorization of facts when left to my own devices.



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24 May 2011, 6:03 pm

No.