I've read about neanderthal and came crasy idea to me..

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14 May 2011, 7:30 pm

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My appearance is also unusual. I look much younger, than other people on my age,


I know this is considered an autistic trait.

I also weigh more than I appear to and have large bones (though I am also fat. I don't say "big boned" instead of fat. Both are actually true).


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14 May 2011, 8:31 pm

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ok ill post something more factual now I've got over the fact that this is an established theory i never knew. background info on neanderthals.

they lived in small groups of 3-5 instead of 25-30 like modern humans did.

they also lived on glaciers in the ice age, tribes had to diffuse themselves over a large area to find food, therefore neanderthals had to communicate with repetitive movements that could be seen from a distance.

there were very few animals to hunt on the ice so neanderthals were strictly vegetarian. they did not hunt so they had to memorize where all the food bearing plants were in the landscape. This accounts for good spatial skills. Also autistic people are overwhelmed by loud noise because the place that they lived in was very quiet, whereas the NT's were out hunting and making noise. also, predators have their eyes towards the front of their heads and they look each other in the eye, animals that do not eat meat don't do this.


A recent study suggests that neanderthrals ate vegetation along with meat, but there is no scientific evidence that neanderthrals were strict vegetarians.

If you have a source for the statement that they were strict vegetarians and did not hunt, I would be interested in seeing it.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-neanderthals-ate-veggies.html



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14 May 2011, 8:36 pm

How about no.



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14 May 2011, 8:50 pm

Could be more no than yes, but what are arguments for no?

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14 May 2011, 10:16 pm

One guy, I believe his name here was rdos, also acted on this theory. His test included the picture of a neanderthal. Apparently, it no longer does.

http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php



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14 May 2011, 10:22 pm

aghogday wrote:
aspie48 wrote:
ok ill post something more factual now I've got over the fact that this is an established theory i never knew. background info on neanderthals.

they lived in small groups of 3-5 instead of 25-30 like modern humans did.

they also lived on glaciers in the ice age, tribes had to diffuse themselves over a large area to find food, therefore neanderthals had to communicate with repetitive movements that could be seen from a distance.

there were very few animals to hunt on the ice so neanderthals were strictly vegetarian. they did not hunt so they had to memorize where all the food bearing plants were in the landscape. This accounts for good spatial skills. Also autistic people are overwhelmed by loud noise because the place that they lived in was very quiet, whereas the NT's were out hunting and making noise. also, predators have their eyes towards the front of their heads and they look each other in the eye, animals that do not eat meat don't do this.


A recent study suggests that neanderthrals ate vegetation along with meat, but there is no scientific evidence that neanderthrals were strict vegetarians.

If you have a source for the statement that they were strict vegetarians and did not hunt, I would be interested in seeing it.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-neanderthals-ate-veggies.html


Neanderthals were husky, muscle-bound creatures. Their physiology indicates a caloric intake of 5000-6000 calories a day to maintain their mass at a healthy level. Homo Sapiens Sapiens (we) are far more efficient, sleek design with basic functioning provided by 1500-2500 a day. Neanderthals most certainly ate a lot of fatty meat, and likely tree nuts as well. I can't imagine they'd spend too much time on greenery, but probably they did eat sugar-rich fruits, roots, and grains. Vegetarian oriented diet would not provide much caloric value at all, it's not efficient. Living in the wild is all about the BTUs - and that means a lot of fat.



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14 May 2011, 10:32 pm

My understanding is the author of the Aspie quiz (rdos), who is also a member of this website is the author of the Neanderthral theory.

He has come to discuss his theory, before on the website, and those posts can be found with a search on his member name.

The picture of the Modified reconstruction of a Gibraltar Neanderthal child
is on the area of his website that proposes the Neanderthral theory as linked below.

http://www.rdos.net/eng/



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14 May 2011, 10:49 pm

abyssquick wrote:
aghogday wrote:
aspie48 wrote:
ok ill post something more factual now I've got over the fact that this is an established theory i never knew. background info on neanderthals.

they lived in small groups of 3-5 instead of 25-30 like modern humans did.

they also lived on glaciers in the ice age, tribes had to diffuse themselves over a large area to find food, therefore neanderthals had to communicate with repetitive movements that could be seen from a distance.

there were very few animals to hunt on the ice so neanderthals were strictly vegetarian. they did not hunt so they had to memorize where all the food bearing plants were in the landscape. This accounts for good spatial skills. Also autistic people are overwhelmed by loud noise because the place that they lived in was very quiet, whereas the NT's were out hunting and making noise. also, predators have their eyes towards the front of their heads and they look each other in the eye, animals that do not eat meat don't do this.


A recent study suggests that neanderthrals ate vegetation along with meat, but there is no scientific evidence that neanderthrals were strict vegetarians.

If you have a source for the statement that they were strict vegetarians and did not hunt, I would be interested in seeing it.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-neanderthals-ate-veggies.html


Neanderthals were husky, muscle-bound creatures. Their physiology indicates a caloric intake of 5000-6000 calories a day to maintain their mass at a healthy level. Homo Sapiens Sapiens (we) are far more efficient, sleek design with basic functioning provided by 1500-2500 a day. Neanderthals most certainly ate a lot of fatty meat, and likely tree nuts as well. I can't imagine they'd spend too much time on greenery, but probably they did eat sugar-rich fruits, roots, and grains. Vegetarian oriented diet would not provide much caloric value at all, it's not efficient. Living in the wild is all about the BTUs - and that means a lot of fat.


I agree; the link to the recent research is the only research I know of that suggests they ate vegetation in addition to meat.



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15 May 2011, 3:22 am

If same explanation for asperger come in mind independent to many people, maybe bigger possibility opinion to be truth, ...beside I'm not always sure, many attested theories after long time mankind found wrong, ..who knows.



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15 May 2011, 5:58 am

I forgot send text who made i whole day think about that neanderthals genes caused asperger, exely neandertals genes evolute in asperger genes, i really have appearance like women in pictures:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... VL4bLl9rDQ



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15 May 2011, 6:30 pm

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there were very few animals to hunt on the ice so neanderthals were strictly vegetarian. they did not hunt so they had to memorize where all the food bearing plants were in the landscape.



Where did you get this idea from Neanderthals were in no way vegetarians. 90 percent of their dietary protein came from meat. They were specialised carnivores.



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15 May 2011, 7:33 pm

Can you tell me why everyone is so happy about this "discovery" and it HAS to be true? I can't put my finger on it, but this seems fishy to be. Has there been any scientific studies to proof this? I hope not. I don't want to be true.

I look more like an NT than an aspie, in fact, I look more NT than most NTs.



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15 May 2011, 7:46 pm

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Can you tell me why everyone is so happy about this "discovery" and it HAS to be true? I can't put my finger on it, but this seems fishy to be. Has there been any scientific studies to proof this? I hope not. I don't want to be true.

I look more like an NT than an aspie, in fact, I look more NT than most NTs.


There is no scientific evidence to back it up and no studies have been planned that I am aware of. My understanding is it is only one person's theory, that was linked in the previous reference.

There is no real discovery that Autistic people are anywhere close to Neanderthral, just a theory.



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15 May 2011, 7:59 pm

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ocdgirl123 wrote:
Can you tell me why everyone is so happy about this "discovery" and it HAS to be true? I can't put my finger on it, but this seems fishy to be. Has there been any scientific studies to proof this? I hope not. I don't want to be true.

I look more like an NT than an aspie, in fact, I look more NT than most NTs.


There is no scientific evidence to back it up and no studies have been planned that I am aware of. My understanding is it is only one person's theory, that was linked in the previous reference.

There is no real discovery that Autistic people are anywhere close to Neanderthral, just a theory.


OK, thanks for the information. :)



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15 May 2011, 8:00 pm

ocdgirl123 wrote:
Can you tell me why everyone is so happy about this "discovery" and it HAS to be true? I can't put my finger on it, but this seems fishy to be. Has there been any scientific studies to proof this? I hope not. I don't want to be true.

I look more like an NT than an aspie, in fact, I look more NT than most NTs.


There is no scientific evidence to back it up and no studies have been planned that I am aware of. My understanding is it is only one person's theory, that was linked in the previous reference.

There is no real discovery that Autistic people are anywhere close to Neanderthral, just a theory.

Just out of curiosity what physical characteristics do NT's have that Aspies don't?

There are lots of pictures on this website, and I haven't found one Asperger person that looks anything close to what the fossil record indicates Neanderthrals look like.

Neanderthrals have strong robust masculinized features. If anything people with Aspergers have softer domesticated appearances, closer to what is considered neonatal in appearance. That's easy to see if one peruses the pictures, here on this website. Not true in all cases, but I would say most cases.

If I had to come up with a theory it would be that people with Aspergers as a group have as far removed physical characteristics from a Neanderthral as any other grouping of individuals. But, it would only be theory and speculation on my part based on correlation from observation.



Don't worry you are not going to turn into a Neanderthral women when you get older.



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16 May 2011, 1:27 am

Can't be pure neanderthal or someone who evolute direct from neanderthal, It is fact that modern man, some of us have those genes in self, so one person can be in appearances like one ancestor, but has in brain different development, so that can cause asperger and that man could be one NT neanderthal in behavior, but to have physical appearances of his homo sapient ancestor. That man can has 99% characteristic of homo sapient and only 1% neanderthal, depends of genetic in that man, can have physical appearances or in brain in part for social interaction. Because I've read in this scientist study that asperger is mistake in brain:
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/aspe ... #115363080
"Current research points to brain abnormalities as the cause of AS. Using advanced brain imaging techniques, scientists have revealed structural and functional differences in specific regions of the brains of normal versus AS children. These defects are most likely caused by the abnormal migration of embryonic cells during fetal development that affects brain structure and “wiring” and then goes on to affect the neural circuits that control thought and behavior."

.. it is just difference which caused few neanderthal genes, that is one reason because i like this theory, no like thay say"defects in brain", this theory is big prove that we are just normal people, not with defects, only FEW neanderthal characteristic .