Could a rational obsession lead to Aspergers symptoms?

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17 May 2011, 6:59 pm

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The dictionary only tells you what concensus are among the people with similar language. It does not say anything about what you heard or said. And that is what people want to know. Believe it or not.

That's very interesting. I will have to think about that a lot. Until now I have had very little success with persuading others unless they already know me as a person and so are predisposed to be sympathetic. In the Internet bear pit I find that people will attack the silliest, most trivial connotation, and so I try to be more and more precise and restrictive in my words.

But my "be logical" strategy is of very limited use. People attack for tribal reasons, not out of a love of logic. So it follows that my only hope of success is to do what every successful thinker does - communicate through friends. Even Einstein needed his Alfred Kleiner and Arthur Eddington.



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04 Jul 2011, 10:31 am

Just saw this thread and decided to revive it just because...

If the only thing that separates an AS obsession from an NT obsession is whether they are willing to share it socially or not, then what about extraverted aspies who would rather spend their time around people than do a solitary activity? Perhaps the way they communicate their obsession would be different from an NT somehow (I'm not sure how exactly, but I know that in my case, somehow I do it differently... I don't show the social awareness that even the most introverted NTs have).

I don't think that not wanting to be around people while engaging in your narrow interest necessarily signifies an NT obsession. I think it just signals a personality difference.


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04 Jul 2011, 11:14 am

It's not going to lead to aspergers as aspergers is a developmental disorder, meaning you have it from birth, it may lead you to fit some of the social traits, but others such as stimming, hyper/hyposensitivity, meltdowns/shutdowns are never going to develop from an obbsession.



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04 Jul 2011, 11:32 am

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* Your social life would suffer. If your obsession started young then you would never learn basic social skills.


No. And here's where obsessed NTs diverge from obsessed AS people (AS meaning anywhere on the autism spectrum, so as not to make this just about Aspies). Obsessed NTs still have the intense NT need for socialization and will attempt to combine their obsession with social experiences. In childhood, this means attempting to convert your friends to the obsession.
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Their voices are never monotonous. If anything, the pitch and cadence varies even more dramatically when they are talking about their obsession.
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You would desperately search out social groups that shared your obsession and when you found them (and you always would), you would be bound to them like glue. You are underestimating the NT need for socialization and thinking it will go away when an obsession comes into place. But it doesn't. Instead, the obsession drives who you socialize with. An obsessed NT will not rest until they have found others who share that obsession and who they can socialise with.


That is brilliant. Very insightful. You are exactly right. That is the piece of the puzzle that I was missing.

When I was a child and formulated my life's goal - to understand why there is poverty and find a way to fix it - it seemed obvious to me that this could best be achieved alone: it would require a massive feat of concentration and correlation over many years, and a group could not be reliably standardized for that long.

I never understood why nobody else came to the same conclusion. but you have hit the nail on the head. Over the years I have met other people who care about global poverty, but their solution is ALWAYS to join a group. To me this was a fatal flaw: immediately the group becomes concerned with its own survival, and also dumbs down to the lowest common denominator. This group-think mentality is crazy to me. These people all claim to care about global poverty, yet they will never take the obvious first step - go away and become entirely independent, then focus, focus, focus.

I suppose this is why I see aspergers as sometimes morally superior to NT: aspies will focus on the problem, whereas NTs will ALWAYS place socializing pleasures above all other considerations.

Now I finally understand why NTs seem so wrong to me.

Janissy, you are a genius.



Seems to me, that, on the contrary, socializing is absolutely essential to solving the problem of global poverty. Or any problem that requires cooperation of lots of other people to implement the solution. If you have no social connections, there's no one to listen to your brilliant solution, and so it won't ever be more than a theoretical solution. It won't ever be implemented, because no one will have any reason to listen to you.


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04 Jul 2011, 11:39 am

trappedinhell wrote:
Until now I have had very little success with persuading others unless they already know me as a person and so are predisposed to be sympathetic.


That was written in the discussion about word meanings and dictionaries. But, it's pretty much the same thing I was saying in my post just above.

I'll add, creating social ties doesn't have to mean not also working on one's own. A balance of the two.


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04 Jul 2011, 11:41 am

MathGirl wrote:
Just saw this thread and decided to revive it just because...

If the only thing that separates an AS obsession from an NT obsession is whether they are willing to share it socially or not, then what about extraverted aspies who would rather spend their time around people than do a solitary activity? Perhaps the way they communicate their obsession would be different from an NT somehow (I'm not sure how exactly, but I know that in my case, somehow I do it differently... I don't show the social awareness that even the most introverted NTs have).

I don't think that not wanting to be around people while engaging in your narrow interest necessarily signifies an NT obsession. I think it just signals a personality difference.


I don't think it's so much that NT obsession and aspie/autistic obsessions are different. It's the obsessed NTs and obsesses apsies/ people with autism are different from each other. (Though, along a continuum with lots of individual differences.)


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04 Jul 2011, 11:48 am

No. NT's just can't comprehend the level of obsession or passion or whatever you want to call it that an autistic person has. It's impossible for an NT to have special intrests and even when NTs are "obsessed" with the things they claim to be "obsessed" with, it dosen't rule every aspect of their lives.


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