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19 May 2011, 12:23 pm

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I sometimes feel that my brain is running at a much faster rate than the world around me.


I feel the opposite: that I can't keep up with the speed of the world around me. I wish it would slow down for me. Having said that I also feel that society tends to skim through too much without much depth/analysis. To much breadth and not enough depth/focus.


It depends on which part and how big a part of the "world around you" you are considering. If Autistic and Nonautistic are both presented with a worldpart / subject / body of information that forms a complex whole, with close relationships between its many elements, Autistic will be much quicker to understand it. But if the body of information is broken up into parts that are not clearly related, Nonautistic will be quick to make sense of it, while Autistic will be much slower or can't develop any sort of oversight over it at all.


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19 May 2011, 12:35 pm

That really resonates with me, I just never put it into words nearly that well.


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19 May 2011, 1:05 pm

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Such excessive neuronal processing in circumscribed circuits is suggested to lead to hyper-perception, hyper-attention, and hyper-memory, which may lie at the heart of most autistic symptoms. In this view, the autistic spectrum are disorders of hyper-functionality, which turns debilitating, as opposed to disorders of hypo-functionality, as is often assumed. We discuss how excessive neuronal processing may render the world painfully intense when the neocortex is affected and even aversive when the amygdala is affected, leading to social and environmental withdrawal.

Excessive neuronal learning is also hypothesized to rapidly lock down the individual into a small repertoire of secure behavioral routines that are obsessively repeated. We further discuss the key autistic neuropathologies and several of the main theories of autism and re-interpret them in the light of the hypothesized Intense World Syndrome.
Does this seem familiar with you?


This seems a question of balance, in a lot of words. Is there thicker bandwidth connecting some parts of the brain, in some areas? Or, is it because there is thinner wiring in some areas? Is it both? Does one come at the expense of the other? Is there even a correlation there at all? I don't know. But I know neuroscience is trying to find out.


Inshort this is what we call neuroplasticity. Some connections are robust some are weak. The robustness of the connection changes based on use so what gets used more gets strengthend and those that are not atrophy. The differce of nt vs as wireibg is likely which ones start strong and which start weak



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20 May 2011, 4:25 am

Yes, this does seem familiar to me and makes a lot of sense. I feel like most other people are going around with blinkers on and inside a bubble, protected from the world. Either they don't notice things, it doesn't impact on them or they readily forget - total opposite to me.



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20 May 2011, 5:24 am

I can relate to this. The world often seems too intense for me. So it definately is a perception issue for us. I also hate peoples facial expressions and I often think people exagerate them. So I reckon people in general act more intensly than they need to. A lot of it must be to do with the media and how everything on tv is exagerated.



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20 May 2011, 6:21 am

This is how I have tried to explain it to others in my life on many occasion.

There is so much going on, and my focus is on all of it. But not all of it in the sense of a whole, but on each constituant piece. And the sheer magnitude of everything can be overwhelming. It's all too potent. Even the good/nice/beautiful is overwhelming and causes me to be lost in awe/transfixed.

I stay indoors sequestered whenever possible, I'm nocturnal to avoid the intensity of daylight. Sounds drown out one another in a cacophonic roar that multiplies and crests to intolerable levels. The more contributors to these senses the more chaotic and overwhelming it becomes. It certainly doesn't help that I feel and/or see many types of sounds on top of hearing them.

I've been told that this explaination makes no sense though. That I like to listen to (bad) music at a loud volume. But, I don't think that is contradictory at all. The sheer force of the music obliterates the sense of everything else altogether so that all there is is the music. It's the closest to inner tranquility I've found. To get lost in the sight, feel and sound of music.


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09 Mar 2012, 3:21 am

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I think this is half of what's going on, the other half being that the world human beings are currently born into really is more intense than the environment that existed during the longest time of human evolution.


I'm not so sure this is the case. I've been in the mountains where there is no visual or auditory evidence of humans. There is a HUGE amount of sensory input there. Many people seem to be oblivious to it but I can get fully absorbed and even overwhelmed by it. Perhaps the difference is that human environments feel chaotic so I prefer the overload of the mountains to that of the city.


I think our autistic troubles aren't caused by amount of sensory input but by number of different inputs which we can't integrate into a single whole.
Trees, birds, one bird that produces a somewhat annoying monotonous screech, sunlit snowy mountain tops, wind, subtle sounds of leaves stirred up, sore feet, needing sunglasses, distant sound of water hitting rock, the shape of an odd branch, wanting to make pictures -- I don't have serious trouble experiencing these things more or less simultaneously without getting overwhelmed. Fully absorbed, sure, but that's a good thing.

On the other hand: such people-free locations being hard to find, strangers talking to me and/or crossing my boundaries, car breaking down, a plethora of mechanical noise, when to pay which bills, parents projecting their social ambitions onto their kids, frequently not being able to find back one of the way too many things I own and am supposed to keep track of, smoking myself to death due to anxiety, a myriad of reported unrelated little news events, lies, gossip and superficial appearances, immense amounts of unpredictable aggression between human individuals and collectives, no one really having a clue what humanity as a whole is doing and where it is heading because the human world is fragmented into countless bits and pieces. Why aren't more people overwhelmed by this? Because they lock themselves up into a little bubble, blocking out everything that doesn't fit into their bubble. Autistics can't do that permanently, only temporarily by focusing on a particular subject of interest.



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This is how I have tried to explain it to others in my life on many occasion.

There is so much going on, and my focus is on all of it. But not all of it in the sense of a whole, but on each constituant piece. And the sheer magnitude of everything can be overwhelming. It's all too potent. Even the good/nice/beautiful is overwhelming and causes me to be lost in awe/transfixed.

I stay indoors sequestered whenever possible, I'm nocturnal to avoid the intensity of daylight. Sounds drown out one another in a cacophonic roar that multiplies and crests to intolerable levels. The more contributors to these senses the more chaotic and overwhelming it becomes. It certainly doesn't help that I feel and/or see many types of sounds on top of hearing them.

I've been told that this explaination makes no sense though. That I like to listen to (bad) music at a loud volume. But, I don't think that is contradictory at all. The sheer force of the music obliterates the sense of everything else altogether so that all there is is the music. It's the closest to inner tranquility I've found. To get lost in the sight, feel and sound of music.



this is exactly how I experience world, you even put this into words in familiar way

btw. here is the whole article



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09 Mar 2012, 7:26 am

I always think Intense World Theory explains the whole essence of the way my AS affects me.



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09 Mar 2012, 3:06 pm

My personal experience of my autism would suggest to the same direction as the proposed unifying theory of autism. I am certainly hypersensitive – though I also immensely enjoy sensory experiences when they are somewhat controllable. Based on my own experiences I also agree with this statement:

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The lack of social interaction in autism may therefore not be because of deficits in the ability to process social and emotional cues as previously thought, but because a subset of cues are overly intense --. Autistic people may, therefore, neither at all be mind-blind nor lack empathy for others, but be hyper-aware of selected fragments of the mind.


Referring to the proposed hypermemory, I qualify myself to have at least better than an average memory. I am certainly no savant - probably my style of visual thinking just helps. Just to give an example: I have worked in a library now a year and we have approx. 8000 items. I remember most of the books, where they are located, their titles, authors and number of the items. I also have a visual picture in my head of their cover and location… I tested this now at home after thinking about it and I am pretty sure I could name the title at least in over 50% of the items (and in many cases also the authors or editors and other facts about the items) pretty much accurately. Of course I can't remember the ones, I've never looked at or seen more closely. I have never memorized any of this on purpose and most of the items I've only hold once in my hand. People find this very amusing though I've never really thought about it much.



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09 Mar 2012, 4:06 pm

NarcissusSavage wrote:
The sheer force of the music obliterates the sense of everything else altogether so that all there is is the music. It's the closest to inner tranquility I've found. To get lost in the sight, feel and sound of music.


You just described exactly what I feel about music and you did it also very beautifully. To me music is something so big I've never been able to describe it with words.