Rhetorical Questions and the Absence of Logic
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cyberdad wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Obviously none of you are old enough to remember Seinfeld.
I'm 41, but I do not recall seeing any relevant episode. I may, however, be an anti-dentite.
It's classically coined the "Show about nothing" because Jerry, Elaine, George and Kramer fill the entire script with rhetorical questions.
Ah, right. I actually knew this, I just didn't understand what you were getting at.
btbnnyr wrote:
I never know when questions are rhetorical. What purpose do rhetorical questions serve? This is not a rhetorical question.
I am still trying to understand. I think it's different depending on the person using the rhetorical question.
Wallourdes wrote:
I mostly catch the rhetorical questions, but it's mostly used either to impress or to intimidate.
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SilverSolace wrote:
This is what I think:
Don't ask me a question if you're not expecting or at least willing to accept an answer. Don't ask anyone if you can't handle the answer. It isn't logical to do so. Don't put a statement in the form of a question unless you expect it to be treated like one.
Don't ask me a question if you're not expecting or at least willing to accept an answer. Don't ask anyone if you can't handle the answer. It isn't logical to do so. Don't put a statement in the form of a question unless you expect it to be treated like one.
So because you don't like rhetorical questions they should be disallowed? That's mighty egocentric of you.
Rhetorical questions are a valid form of communication in some circumstances. Just because I don't always recognize them does not strip them of that validity.
The world is not logical. Insisting that it be logical is in fact contrary to the evidence and in and of itself is illogical.
I think you misunderstand, or I was not clear enough.
I'm not disallowing rhetorical questions. No one has the power to do that. It's already a part of our language and culture. No one can just take that away, it's impossible. I am however, insisting upon allowing rhetorical questions to be answered, if there is an answer. I see how some people only answer them to be a "smart a**"? Or for humor's sake, they will answer in nonserious discussions. But I answer with a genuine desire to reach a common ground of understanding or to help ease someone's confusion, and I get nothing but harmful responses in return..
In my opinion, it is "egocentric" to expect to always have the "last word" and verbally attack or ignore anyone who might have something else to contribute to the discussion, or wants to help you. From my experience, this is all I have seen rhetorical questions used as. Hurtful. (When I said "you" I was speaking of people who react in the way I am describing, because using too many "they"s can be confusing and the antecedent is often lost in the jumble... as it probably already has somewhere in my post(s))
Maybe you can give some better examples of rhetorical questions being used in a more valid way. Maybe I have just never seen them used correctly. Maybe you can inform me.
Also, the world is logical. People are not. I am not insisting that they be logical, merely saying what would be logical for them to do. Or not to do, actually. Whether or not they wish to be logical or not (or maybe the term I am looking for is objective?) is totally up to them to decide.
If I have been unclear in any way, please ask for clarification.
SilverSolace wrote:
What do you think of rhetorical questions?
Trencher93 wrote:
Do you want an answer, or is this a rhetorical question?
I actually want an answer. Sorry, does it sound like a rhetorical question? (and that's not rhetorical either. LOL) I should have been more specific. I want to know if other people have the same kind of trouble with rhetorical questions and/or the people who ask them.
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SilverSolace wrote:
What do you think of rhetorical questions?
I used to always answer them if I had an answer.
I always thought a person who asked a question was confused about something, and if their question was answered they wouldn't be confused anymore, and would feel better because of it.
But it seems many people (not all) who ask rhetorical questions become annoyed when they are answered.
I have been told I am rude and interruptive when I answer a rhetorical question when someone is talking to me.
But I can't help but answer it. I feel compelled to answer and inform/correct people, in the hopes of bringing about understanding, but I only receive negative feedback in return.
This is what I think:
Don't ask me a question if you're not expecting or at least willing to accept an answer. Don't ask anyone if you can't handle the answer. It isn't logical to do so. Don't put a statement in the form of a question unless you expect it to be treated like one.
I used to always answer them if I had an answer.
I always thought a person who asked a question was confused about something, and if their question was answered they wouldn't be confused anymore, and would feel better because of it.
But it seems many people (not all) who ask rhetorical questions become annoyed when they are answered.
I have been told I am rude and interruptive when I answer a rhetorical question when someone is talking to me.
But I can't help but answer it. I feel compelled to answer and inform/correct people, in the hopes of bringing about understanding, but I only receive negative feedback in return.
This is what I think:
Don't ask me a question if you're not expecting or at least willing to accept an answer. Don't ask anyone if you can't handle the answer. It isn't logical to do so. Don't put a statement in the form of a question unless you expect it to be treated like one.
Exactly. If someone isn't looking for an answer to a question, then they shouldn't ask a question, rhetorical or not.
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I'm not disallowing rhetorical questions. No one has the power to do that. It's already a part of our language and culture. No one can just take that away, it's impossible. I am however, insisting upon allowing rhetorical questions to be answered, if there is an answer. I see how some people only answer them to be a "smart a**"? Or for humor's sake, they will answer in nonserious discussions. But I answer with a genuine desire to reach a common ground of understanding or to help ease someone's confusion, and I get nothing but harmful responses in return..
OK. You're wanting a little space regarding the way you react to rhetorical questions. I can see that. And I agree with you that often rhetorical questions are just another way of being mean spirited.
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Also, the world is logical. People are not.
The world is neither logical nor illogical. Logic is a form of reasoning. As best we can tell, other than humans, even intelligent species do not reason with logic.
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syrella wrote:
Oh... I always answer rhetorical questions. Woops.
"What is it with attractive women they always seem to walk faster than everyone else" (an example of a rhetorical question that you don't really expect an answer but display a specific attribute about another group)
Another example - “You don't expect me to go along with that crazy scheme, do you?” (asking as if you are required to agree or disagree when in reality the person doesn't expect a response)
And another - "what's the matter with you" (a very direct rhetorical question that often tricks people but once again a NT nuance where the specific context mostly requires no response)
cyberdad wrote:
syrella wrote:
Oh... I always answer rhetorical questions. Woops.
"What is it with attractive women they always seem to walk faster than everyone else" (an example of a rhetorical question that you don't really expect an answer but display a specific attribute about another group)
Another example - “You don't expect me to go along with that crazy scheme, do you?” (asking as if you are required to agree or disagree when in reality the person doesn't expect a response)
And another - "what's the matter with you" (a very direct rhetorical question that often tricks people but once again a NT nuance where the specific context mostly requires no response)
Hmm... thank you for the explanation. I think I've goofed up in more than one of those situations.
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