Have you ever been a danger to yourself?

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Niamh
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11 Jun 2011, 12:28 pm

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Yes I keep my autism a secret because even the Union officials who are supposed to represent me think that an employer has every right to fire and blackball autistic workers who because of their unawareness are too dangerous to belong at the jobsite. However I run into problems at work because crane operators deliberately swing dangerous loads over my head. The crane operator will not stop his dangerous practice because production cannot stop but I am expected to have eyes in the back of my head to get out of his way everytime he tries to run me over.


Oh wow, you've got a horrible situation at work!! I hope you don't get injured by the careless crane operator. Surely there are rules, or even laws, against this stuff?



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11 Jun 2011, 12:39 pm

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I would say not, based on the theory that "being a danger to oneself" would indicate deliberate carelessness or intent or desire to harm/kill self.


No, deliberate self-harm and accidental self-harm are different. We can accidentally be careless out of naivety and confusion in social situations, or we can be in complete fight-or-flight response mode and not able to think things through, resulting in careless behaviour. For example, a kid with autism might get so overwhelmed at school he might run away, but in his state of stress he might not be able to think ahead and he may run across a road without looking. The kid doesn't want to get hit by a car and hurt himself, he actually wants to just get as far away from the school as possible and into a place that feels safe. Then there are clumsiness issues, and it's obvious how very bad coordination could cause a person to accidentally harm themselves. That's the kinda stuff I'm thinking about here :)


In that sense, then I'd say maybe yes, if my place on the Spectrum had an influence on my actions... Most NT people don't run into burning buildings for the purpose of closing doors, I guess, although they likely would to rescue people or pets. I knew that everyone was out. I wasn't in a panic though; I just wanted to minimize damage. It was a "calculated risk" to me, but stupid as viewed by everybody else. I'm AS, or very HFA, so I totally agree that someone at a different place on the Spectrum could be a definite danger if he/she acts in panic, and does as you said. I do know that I got yelled at awful by the firemen, the police, and bystanders. :?


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11 Jun 2011, 1:01 pm

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Have you ever been a danger to yourself?


there was one incident that comes to mind when i could not agree with my idea about a certain aspect of reality, and i found myself in an argument. i was on the on the back foot in that argument, and i was on the verge of violent confrontation with myself. it is only because i suddenly saw what i was on about, that the matter was diffused peacefully.

seriously however, once i was driving along a road that was an undulating road that twisted and turned through bulbous hills. when i rounded a bend at about 65 mph (110 kph), i saw that there was a flock of sheep on the road, and i was forced to veer off the road, and i skidded wildly through a paddock beside the road before i came to a halt.

i gathered my thoughts in the immediate aftermath and i thought "if i was not me, then this whole incident would not be a danger to my continued existence", therefore i think i am a danger to myself for merely being me. if i was not me, then nothing would happen to me.



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11 Jun 2011, 1:15 pm

There is no real law against a crane operator swinging a heavy load over someones head because this is not an issue for neurotypicals. Neurotypicals will automatically get out of the way so no safety laws will ever get violated. However if autistics are hired, since they are in their own little world often will not be aware and will find themselves under a dangerous heavy load that could give way. Bosses who do not want to pay workmens compensation claims will find it much cheaper to fire the autistic then to tell the crane operator to slow down.

The only time this was challenged was when a fist fight broke out on my job. The worker who started the fight was fired and he filed a grievance claiming that the crane operator was swinging loads over my head. However his greivance was ignored because he took matters into his own hands by starting the fist fight. Later because I was being picked on I threatened to file the grievance myself but my boss threatened to fire me for being a safety hazard and my boss told me that the grievance would not save my job because he already thought I was a good worker and if he wanted me fired he would have done it a long time ago.

So what I did was every 15 seconds I stopped working and took the time to look at the position of the crane.



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03 Aug 2011, 12:30 am

Is there any way to prevent these hazards from happening without having to learn the hard way? I know someone who has aspergers who had my 4 yr old in the car, with the car running, inside a CLOSED garage. Trust me when I say I was at a lost for words. Not to mention her death flashed before my eyes and all I could think was "what would happen if I didnt come in the garage?" I would not have my child today. This stuff is scary, and this friend of mine who did it, did not know what to say. He just kept staring into space, shocked at himself. I know he was sad about this, but in all honesty I feel I could never trust my child around him. That hurt me to come to that conclusion. I know stuff like this cant be taught. But is there ANY hope, or way to prevent DANGEROUS things like this from happening? Before its too late......



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03 Aug 2011, 8:55 am

Well, I've attempted suicide at least twice. Neither was successful. And I have a habit of crossing the street without looking. Unfortunately, I've never been lucky enough to be run over.


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03 Aug 2011, 9:00 am

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A danger to yourself? If someone harms you, regardless of circumstances, it's because they're a danger to you and not because you're a danger to yourself.


You sure about that? I'm sure no-one would suggest that, say, a mentally ill person going into the middle of a neo-Nazi or Muslim fundamentalist rally waving the Israeli flag and loudly singing Hatikvah would deserve it but on a huge level he is a danger to himself.



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03 Aug 2011, 9:02 am

never, but I have made serious threats which I never meant to say it



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03 Aug 2011, 9:40 am

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There is no real law against a crane operator swinging a heavy load over someones head because this is not an issue for neurotypicals. Neurotypicals will automatically get out of the way so no safety laws will ever get violated. However if autistics are hired, since they are in their own little world often will not be aware and will find themselves under a dangerous heavy load that could give way. Bosses who do not want to pay workmens compensation claims will find it much cheaper to fire the autistic then to tell the crane operator to slow down.


I doubt that. NTs can be distracted and/or inattentive too. You may be more prone to it, but that environment is a danger to everyone.

I'm not sure how you can change the issue without getting yourself fired, though. If you pushed it with the union and/or some sort of regulatory body for workplace safety, you could probably get things changed, but I suspect your boss would fire you first excuse he got. My advice would be to get another job lined up and then start the action against your workplace.



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13 Aug 2011, 3:34 pm

I'm not very good at traffic awareness when I'm on foot. Very safe driver, no accidents since I started driving in 2004. Yet as soon as I get out of the car I often wander into the path of cars and people without realising.
I am also bad at personal care, putting off dental visits for months at a time, leaving me in agony and meaning the tooth/teeth have to be extracted rather than repaired. I've had about 10 out in the last year (didn't go for 7 years before this, in agony the whole time!). I forget to take medication, meaning I often start a course of antibiotics and forget the rest, resulting in a more severe infection.
I also forget about things like turning the iron off.
Other dangerous stuff I do includes thinking I can do DIY yet have poor concentration and co-ordination, resulting in some dodgy electrics all over my house, and me being injured by various tools/falls. I even dropped a car off of a jack once, luckily I had just moved my leg from underneath it.



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13 Aug 2011, 3:43 pm

Hmmm well iut's a miracle that humans actually survive a day with all these different things around us.
Well human is ALWAYS a danger to us self because we are so stupid.

We invented a helmet so we could continue doing dangerous stuff instead of just stop doing it...


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13 Aug 2011, 3:45 pm

No matter the situation, there's always a danger of something.


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13 Aug 2011, 7:40 pm

Aparently.


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13 Aug 2011, 7:43 pm

Niamh wrote:
Have you ever been a danger to yourself?

I sometimes forget to take my heart medications, wear safety goggles, or drive with my headlights on at night.



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13 Aug 2011, 7:44 pm

Yes, but not nearly as much as people claim.

I've been suicidal. Those are the only times I was actually a danger to myself.

I tend to self-injure a reasonable amount; but this is NOT a "danger to myself". The injuries are not major, heal on their own, and do not cause permanent damage other than superficial scarring in some cases. If I were regularly and violently banging my head without wearing a helmet, or if I were unable to care for injuries to the point of risking infection, you could make a case about it being dangerous; but I don't. People simply overreact to superficial self-injury and call me "a danger to myself" when the only thing I'm endangering is my ability to enter swimsuit competitions.


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14 Aug 2011, 8:55 am

I've been a danger to myself many times, but mostly due to schizophrenia. Like the many times I've stopped eating and drinking believing I was being poisoned (once I believed I had the power to photosynthesise and that I didn't need to eat as I was not human), and the multiple times I could see bugs under my skin and I somewhat tried to cut them out......not wise.


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