Sick of being treated as a CRIMINAL

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I've been very lucky that I haven't been pulled over. ::knocking on wood:: If I see a police car anywhere near me, I get nervous and watch my speed, making sure I'm going the speed limit and using the turn signals to make sure they find no reason to pull me over. On a couple of occasions, I noticed too late that I missed a stop sign and was nervous for a few minutes because any cop who saw that would have had the right to pull me over.

What I really hate are those intersections where they have cameras to catch those who run stoplights, those tickets are at least $300, you get it in the mail. Right before one of those infamous intersections, there's another intersection that is often jammed because people are trying to avoid that ticket in the mail.

There are times when yes, those enforcing the law are unfair. I've seen it back in the days when I was a political activist.

Breaking the law law, then blaming the law on targetting you is not one of those situations. You BROKE the law, neither ignorance nor your condition will justify.

Bad luck you had three tickets in one day, but the bottom line is - you broke the law, the fines are the consequences. No amount of excuses is going to brush away the fact you BROKE THE LAW.

Quoting from the original post:

[quote="subatai_baadur"]Driving is not a right. If you don't like it, then in retrospect you should get out of your metal coffin and walk like humanity has been doing for so long. Never killed anyone before, and it's exceptionally hard to get fined for walking unless you're disrupting traffic

I hear you, that is why i dont drive, i could not handle the 1000 things to do at once, i ride a bicycle and take public transit

I don't quite understand. Do you feel you are obeying traffic laws and getting harassed?

In the UK the motorist is seen as a convenient cash cow for the governments. The government is full of short sighted idiots who haven't planned things properly and now they can't fix all the problems they have created. They know people have to use their cars and they make so many hidden fines and offences that they will get you for something eventually, especially with CCTV and auto number plate reading cameras everywhere. Public transport isn't much alternative, it's the highest priced in the world, almost 4 times more expensive than the next most expensive I think. And it's overcrowded, and they have stated they want to reduce the amount of people using it because they are too cheap to upgrade it.

The easiest way out of it is to change your number plate to a fake one or leave it deliberately dirty and unreadable. By the time a real cop notices you will have missed out on so many fines and tolls that it will be more than worth the eventual fine. The cop might even let you off the first time. Then instead of wasting all your time watching your speedo and trying to decypher traffic signs you can actually keep your eyes on the road and see where you are going.

Less law abiding citizens do stuff like this all the time and they barely get a slap on the wrist for doing it, why should the average person put up with subsidising the governments poor planning and idiot ideas? The jails are already overfull and there aren't enough police so if everyone did it, they would just have to accept it.

European registered cars also don't get any fines either, they can't force foreign owners to pay so they get away scot free as well. Nothing illegal in that either, just buy a European car or register it in Europe .

I DECIDED TO GO BACK TO PANCRES ROAD NW1, CAMDON

I didn’t know whether to feel delighted or angry, I sew a blue minivan drive through that road, then I wait 4 minutes then a Landrover Freelander. Most of the time their was black taxi cabs( they seem to have special permission) Apparently the there is two signed ,showing a car and a motorcycle in white circle, meaning no access for cars or motorcycles. Driving down such a road at 30mph down the road the traffic lights obscure the one of the signed to the left until you are very close to it. To the left the is a NO LEFT TURN SIGN but it is placed in a position that could confuse you in thinking you cannot turn left (because it is only available to for black cabs to park). I cannot honestly say that I seen that sign confusing me to go straight on.

When I looked further up the road I see what looked like a special traffic enforcement car, one of those tiny smart cars with a picture of a camera on it. It is that car that catches the driver.

I asked them how many cars that got caught on this road they said in the last couple of hours about two hours 50 cars got caught. This road doesn’t seem that busy as such but when a car come down it 40-45 percent of the time it goes straight on and gets fined. IF they didn’t want any cars to go down that road they could have made it a bus lane, drivers avoid it like the plague. IF this was a very busy road the council would be raking in the money.

So let’s summarise for those with short memory:

*For this spot at least, this blatantly shows that the council is profiteering from innocent drivers.
*In the last hour 50 cars got caught by the cameras.
* 40-45 percent of cars that come into the road go straight on and end up getting fined.
* On the CCTV I got with my fine, a blue car and a motorcycle followed me into same road. I will show you this as soon as I find out how to show picture weblinks.
* Going straight on down the road does not endanger anyone’s life by any stretch of the imagination.

ok dude you aint giving up. so may i join you..fight the system. dont let the basards grind you down

I am the car in front

I was treated like a Criminal, when I was on a Work Experience. I've accidently taken a can of Orange Crush, thinking that the Soda Pop in the back room was for everyone. I didn't know that one of the workers had bought it, for him and his wife. I've realized what I've done, and I've replaced it, the next day. The woman who was running the Pet Store gave me a lecture, telling me that it's wrong to steal, and it lasted for ten minutes. That woman was also giving me two Dollars for Lunches, so that I wouldn't "Steal" any food, and I've found that very condesending. I've ended up having to teriminate that Work Experience, because that Boss Woman had it in for me, and she yelled at me, on two other occasions. I don't take well to being yelled at. That was back, in 1994 so it's now water under the bridge.

It remind me of last week at work when the bag of charity candy( you pay a pound for a bag) was counted and a bag was not paid for. Me being the ravenous greedy gut and a skint-flint with money I was the first to get the blame. But one of my work believed me mates because of my body language. I often give childlike white lies, that I know that they can seen straight. at work, I remember I said to my supervisor “ I didn’t see Jamie, Martin and Jim in the café having breakfast in the morning”.
I could never earn their hate though; they think I am innocently honest and hopeless at lying. I remember saying to my workmate Gemma “ME: I don’t want you to buy and old bangger car because I would be jealous of your new car” “Gemma: what are the reasons” Me: eearm I cant think of them straight off my head, give me a few minutes”

What is Area 51? and how come you got picked up by police

Area 51 is an off-limits military area in America.

I got picked up by police generally because people call them and tell them that someone who looks like they don't understand where they are is 'wandering' around outside.

I sympathize.

While I believe that rules are important and social contract is important, it disturbs me that the social contract of the average society's legal code is so extensive that an individual cannot effectively know it all much less negotiate or renegotiate with it.

Take, for instance, paying taxes or other tasks which require using forms, often forms which reference other forms. How can people function in a legal system which exceeds the ability of the average person to know without devoting a life of study to it?

Lying is wrong. Dishonesty is wrong. Theft is wrong. Murder is wrong. I understand these things.

However, I often feel that law and morality, written rules and universal rules, are unrelated entities. Maybe this means that I am not AS. I've been informally diagnosed by family and educators but never by a doctor.

The discussion here reminds me of how, as a child, people would answer my questions with a simple, "Just because."

People are saying that a parking violation is wrong because it is against the law, whether the person is aware of it or not.

However, I have always felt that it was unfair to punish people for an unintentional breach. Throughout school, starting with my first day of Kindergarten, I was penalized for being expected to know certain rules. I didn't know on my first day of school that I shouldn't talk in class. Some teachers would expect students to report bad behavior and others would punish you for being a tattletale.

I have a lot of negative memories of Physical Education classes but one thing I always hated was this idea I have seen perpetuated by multiple coaches was that a group should be punished for the action of the individual. That isn't right.

Likewise, I don't think that people should be punished if their intent is without malice or intended disrespect for the law... and that law morally should err on the side of leniancy.

Once, I was backing out of a parking space slowly and cautiously (as I tend to do) and a woman hit my car going at a speed of 35 MPH in a parking lot, fast enough that I could not anticipate her driving through the lot. I was told by a police officer that no one would be found at fault because the accident took place on private property (ie. a department store parking lot) but that I would have been found at fault had the accident occured elsewhere, no matter how fast the woman in the other car was driving. This was because I was backing up.

I took offense at that and, to this day, that doesn't make sense to me. A car that is backing out of a parking space has limited visibility and a car which is moving in close proximity to parking spaces should be operated at a slow enough speed to stop or make adjustments since the driver of the car which is not parked has better visibility.

It annoys me that traffic law and general road practices seem to assume that people will drive fast and aggressively and tend to encourage people to pursue a "me first" approach to driving.

Doing things wrong without know seems to be what I am all about. Maybe I don’t talk about it much to a certain extent I am willing to take it on the chin, the majority of people don’t know about AS. If it is an individual starts givin-it-all-of-that, I will make sure that he listen to what I have to say, if he is still too stuckup to listen then I would just have to show him the finger.

The reason why I mention this so called driving violation is because half the people driving down that road are being caught and fined, far from being the minority. Did you see in the photo evidence showing 2 other motorists behind me committing the same offence. The thing is this type of offence is categorised the same as parking so the motorist does not receive point on their licence they just get fined £50(upto £100 if they don’t pay within 14 days) . If they got points of their licence there would be an motorist revolt they just want the money.