20 Jul 2011, 8:48 am
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20 Jul 2011, 12:12 pm
swbluto wrote:
So, I'm at student.com reading various profiles and various questions and I don't yawn and I presume that's because they aren't boring to me. I come to wrong planet as part of my daily digital nomadicism and start reading the topic's titles in the General Autism Discussion sub forum and I start to yawn and then I quickly back up to the root of the forum to check out another subforum. This suggests... I found this forum kind of boring while the "social scene" at student.com was interesting. Does this suggest I'm neurotypical in that I found a neurotypical setting "interesting" and an autistic setting "boring"? Or do autistics also find neurotypical settings online more interesting than autistic settings?
I don't know sw, how many NT's find this site interesting enough to open an account with 'tons of posts.' Only ones with AS children?
I haven't run across schizoids, bipolar or schizotypals querying themselves on the board .
It's a safe bet to state you have a least some problems in executive function from what I've seen you post, and I think you know this. And as a red herring in the mix: ToM is affected somewhat by this.
The question arises from where does all this originate?
When I first read about ADHD PI in a research paper, with the concurrent dysexecutive function; it gelled 'within' to such an overwhelming extent, in the same way that I know I'm XY in chromosome.
People here with AS felt the same when they read about Aspergers for the first time. I should preface that with it seems" the vast majority." I've seen posts where it takes longer due to be being 'very mild.'
You won't find an autistic personality, sw, any more than finding an ADD personality. Some AS folk are extroverted.
How's your ToM with social tests on this site? Do you have to think hard with the Sally Anne test? Or do you easily walk in her shoes, using imagination as you project yourself into her body & walk her through this? Is it intuitive or do you make a mistake when working it out?
There is nothing conclusive with these tests though, as some gifted 5 year old AS kids work this out.
Also, you've tried to mathematically express the surety of having/or not having AS.
Do you lean toward memory problems, i.e. "executive" or do you think the problem to be a vacuum to where you've developed algorithms to bridge the empty space in ToM? This is at least a start, I think.
20 Jul 2011, 12:18 pm
Megz wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble here, but an NT wouldn't have over-analyzed a yawn like that 
Seriously. No NT is anywhere near this obsessed over whether or not they are NT.
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12 Aug 2011, 9:52 pm
Megz wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble here, but an NT wouldn't have over-analyzed a yawn like that
Of course not. A yawn is a reaction that can be triggered by any number of things: being tired, being deprived of oxygen, or observing someone else in the room yawning. If I am alone, I can rule the last reason, and if it's still early and I otherwise don't feel tired, I can assume that it's a lack of oxygen. For NTs a yawn usually signals a finite number of possibilities, and in my case, it reminds me that I placed dinner in the oven 4 hours ago and that high pitched noise I've been hearing the past two hours is the smoke detector.
That's why NTs don't overanalyze a yawn, once one logically eliminates certain triggers, it leads him to the most likely cause.
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12 Aug 2011, 10:11 pm
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12 Aug 2011, 10:27 pm
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Megz wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble here, but an NT wouldn't have over-analyzed a yawn like that
Of course not. A yawn is a reaction that can be triggered by any number of things: being tired, being deprived of oxygen, or observing someone else in the room yawning. If I am alone, I can rule the last reason, and if it's still early and I otherwise don't feel tired, I can assume that it's a lack of oxygen. For NTs a yawn usually signals a finite number of possibilities, and in my case, it reminds me that I placed dinner in the oven 4 hours ago and that high pitched noise I've been hearing the past two hours is the smoke detector.
That's why NTs don't overanalyze a yawn, once one logically eliminates certain triggers, it leads him to the most likely cause.
Oh gosh, you guys and your stereotypical views of NTs. NT does NOT mean "normal", for crying out loud. There are over-analytical NTs and NTs who think, there are ret*d NTs and Genius NTs, there are normal NTs and weird NTs. They run the gamut and there are many shades between.
12 Aug 2011, 10:29 pm
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12 Aug 2011, 10:52 pm
Verdandi wrote:
Mdyar wrote:
People here with AS felt the same when they read about Aspergers for the first time. I should preface that with it seems" the vast majority." I've seen posts where it takes longer due to be being 'very mild.'
I am not mild at all but I found it nearly impossible to recognize myself in NT descriptions of autistic people, whereas autistic descriptions of autistic people are immediately familiar to me. Most of the NT writings I've read (research, diagnostic criteria, etc) I've read focuses so much on what autistic people look like on the outside, and I couldn't work out how other people might see me. The only exception that comes to mind is Tony Attwood's book, and even it is imperfect (but good enough for my needs).
When I stumbled onto anbuend's blog, I worked it out very quickly. First time I had ever seen another autistic person's description of what it is like to be autistic. The first time I read anything that was that intensely familiar.
There could be many reasons why someone doesn't realize they're autistic just from reading about it, although I think an inability to work out how others might perceive them might have a lot to do with it.
This is what I've noticed, V.
It seems the board is the best medicine. I think Alex turned up something very valuable here, at the risk of stating the obvious.
The irony is I found what I've been searching for on a autism board.
Look how many are searching at any given minute by the numbers. When I joined there was 300-400. And go back to first page and look at its life - around 30 days.
I think everyone "yawned" awaiting for the next new post.
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12 Aug 2011, 11:02 pm
swbluto wrote:
Buck-oh wrote:
Megz wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble here, but an NT wouldn't have over-analyzed a yawn like that
Of course not. A yawn is a reaction that can be triggered by any number of things: being tired, being deprived of oxygen, or observing someone else in the room yawning. If I am alone, I can rule the last reason, and if it's still early and I otherwise don't feel tired, I can assume that it's a lack of oxygen. For NTs a yawn usually signals a finite number of possibilities, and in my case, it reminds me that I placed dinner in the oven 4 hours ago and that high pitched noise I've been hearing the past two hours is the smoke detector.
That's why NTs don't overanalyze a yawn, once one logically eliminates certain triggers, it leads him to the most likely cause.
Oh gosh, you guys and your stereotypical views of NTs. NT does NOT mean "normal", for crying out loud. There are over-analytical NTs and NTs who think, there are ret*d NTs and Genius NTs, there are normal NTs and weird NTs. They run the gamut and there are many shades between.
Troubleshooting yawns is just the way we NTs roll. We can't help ourselves. As NTs we're compelled to go where the evidence leads us.
And I totally agree with what you wrote. I haven't seen too many problems on these boards that NTs don't encounter when dealing with other NTs. Feeling isolated, feeling overwhelmed in social situations, having difficulties reading social cues, being mocked at work or school, and finding discussing your own interests more interesting than other people's interests, are all pretty common experiences. It's not always the result of some "us vs them" scenario, sometimes it's just a side effect of being a human being. There's nothing unique to AS about feeling like an outsider sometimes, or believing that people "just don't get you."
