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26 Jul 2011, 11:06 am

Mmmm... fried chicken with hot sauce sounds really good right now.



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26 Jul 2011, 11:15 am

I think whether it's the N word, or the "R" word (meaning the opposite of "advanced"), or any other word, the part that most matters is the attitude behind it. If you called somebody any word out of meanness, or referred to any group by any word disparagingly, it's rude and/or unacceptable. But if two people on a level playing field call eachother any word, it might be in bad taste, but it's not necessarily hateful.

Case in point: If someone refers to me as a bastard, but they don't know that my parents weren't married, it's not the same as if it were someone who said that to use it as a toll to hurt because they know I'm a son of a single woman.

If Black people use the N word in fun when referring to each other, although I don't like that word due to it's historic usage. it's not as bad as if a non-Black person uses it to insult or convey nastiness.

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26 Jul 2011, 11:35 am

kx250rider wrote:
I think whether it's the N word, or the "R" word (meaning the opposite of "advanced"), or any other word, the part that most matters is the attitude behind it. If you called somebody any word out of meanness, or referred to any group by any word disparagingly, it's rude and/or unacceptable. But if two people on a level playing field call eachother any word, it might be in bad taste, but it's not necessarily hateful.

Case in point: If someone refers to me as a bastard, but they don't know that my parents weren't married, it's not the same as if it were someone who said that to use it as a toll to hurt because they know I'm a son of a single woman.

If Black people use the N word in fun when referring to each other, although I don't like that word due to it's historic usage. it's not as bad as if a non-Black person uses it to insult or convey nastiness.

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That's an accurate assessment of how I feel. A lot of Blacks seem to be offended when someone not Black (usually White/Caucasain) say "n***a", but they don't say "n****r", and still get offended. It's a double standard that still perplexes me to this day. And I generally don't use the word much at all.

The context of the use of the word bastard is also another interesting one. People might not now that I'm actually a bastard by definition, yet they still use it. But I would only get offended if they used it and they did know. Generally I hear that older women (50s, 60s) say that know about me being "A bastard child" when talking about me or my mother, and I get offended then....


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26 Jul 2011, 11:52 am

I think the difference between a word like 'aspie' and a word like 'n-----' or 'r-----' is its origin. The two later words (the N one especially) were created by others with the purpose of being derogatory... they are fighting words. I don't think 'aspie' was created with that sort of intent behind it, it is more of a shorthand that was created just to shorten a longer term. 'Aspie' doesn't really have the negative/derogatory connotation to it that N and R do. There is always the risk that 'aspie' could become a derogatory term though.


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26 Jul 2011, 1:12 pm

I get VERY offended if an NT calls me "aspie" but it dosen't bother me if another autistic person does.


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26 Jul 2011, 2:13 pm

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I'm black, and I have an ASD, so that must mean that I'm OBSESSED with fried chicken! :bounce:


:lol: :lol:


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26 Jul 2011, 2:36 pm

I don't mind being called Aspie. It's just a quick way of saying ''someone with AS''. I'd rather be called Aspie than be called ''not a human'' or ''alien''. Personally, I find that more offensive, since I consider myself as ''a person with a disability''. That's what all the doctors, teachers and my parents considered it as when I was growing up, so I've adapted to it like that.


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26 Jul 2011, 2:50 pm

FearOfMusic wrote:
I think the difference between a word like 'aspie' and a word like 'n-----' or 'r-----' is its origin. The two later words (the N one especially) were created by others with the purpose of being derogatory... they are fighting words. I don't think 'aspie' was created with that sort of intent behind it, it is more of a shorthand that was created just to shorten a longer term. 'Aspie' doesn't really have the negative/derogatory connotation to it that N and R do. There is always the risk that 'aspie' could become a derogatory term though.


But, you're wrong about how "n****r" and "ret*d" originated.

"n****r" is actually nothing more than a colloquial mispronunciation of the word "Negro." Admittedly, it originated with Southern slaveowners, and quickly changed to a derogatory term, but that is not what it started out as. Similarly, "ret*d" did not start out as a slur. It was simply a descriptive term for slow development - and can still be used in that sense today. The original meanings of these words are not the same as the current ones.

I agree that "aspie" could be co-opted to mean something negative - just as happened with the other two words you brought up.

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And, you mean there are people who don't like fried chicken? 8O 8O Unbelievable!



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26 Jul 2011, 2:59 pm

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I love fried chicken.

And I don't mind being called Aspy because it's my excuse for being a complete failure at life.


This is a good example of limiting self belief that is liable to be occur by being alienated
The fact that the word reminds us that we are a minority
But in reality every single human is a minority because there is only one of each of us

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26 Jul 2011, 3:58 pm

I think it's offensive if blonde people get called ''blondies'' and ginger-haired people get called ''ginger-minger''. I mean, what is all that in aid of? Some other stupid immature social rule that everybody's got to follow otherwise they're ''wierd''? Everybody's got to have black or brown hair, or dye their hair even if it doesn't suit them? That is offensive against nature.

Sorry, nothing to do with what anyone's mentioned here. Just had to spit that out.


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26 Jul 2011, 4:18 pm

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I think it's offensive if blonde people get called ''blondies'' and ginger-haired people get called ''ginger-minger''. I mean, what is all that in aid of? Some other stupid immature social rule that everybody's got to follow otherwise they're ''wierd''? Everybody's got to have black or brown hair, or dye their hair even if it doesn't suit them? That is offensive against nature.

Sorry, nothing to do with what anyone's mentioned here. Just had to spit that out.

no you said what i was trying to say beautifully.
I feel I people may have not understood what I meant due to my over-thinking and elaboration.
But you hit the nail on the head there.



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26 Jul 2011, 4:24 pm

I love fried chicken. It's so bad for you, but it tastes so damn good.



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26 Jul 2011, 4:24 pm

I think the comparison to a racial slur was irrelevant.

I don't like to call myself an "Aspie" although I seem to be called one on occasion. I don't really even identify with this whole idea of "Asperger's" as an identity, however.

When I read this thread, I was in fact eating fried chicken.



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26 Jul 2011, 4:26 pm

I don't like fried chicken.


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26 Jul 2011, 4:39 pm

Verdandi wrote:
I think the comparison to a racial slur was irrelevant.

I don't like to call myself an "Aspie" although I seem to be called one on occasion. I don't really even identify with this whole idea of "Asperger's" as an identity, however.

When I read this thread, I was in fact eating fried chicken.

hahaha yes, the comparison to a racial slur was irrelevant
the idea that people describe us with a word just irritatates me

my thought are summed up by joe90



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26 Jul 2011, 4:49 pm

Well, labels are just labels. 'Aspie' is just a convenient short way of saying 'person with Aspergers Syndrome' which is horribly clunky and unwieldy. 'Aspie' could be used as an insult, but it's not *usually* used in a derogatory way, and it's better than having no word at all. But now you've made me hungry dammit :P


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