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27 Jul 2011, 12:44 pm

I have felt thoroughly cursed in this life which leaves me wondering what have I done to deserve this? I felt cursed genetically and by happenstance which feels cursed to the core.

It seems logical to bring karma from a past life into it if I haven't done anything rotten in this one and still, that wouldn't affect my genes or parentage, anyway.

Or, it could just be a case of bad luck. Then, I look at how many people there are in the world and how the majority of them look and live, my chances of being born a rich, good looking, happy person with no health problems are pretty remote.



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27 Jul 2011, 12:46 pm

Are you f*****g serious!?

I believe that there is a God and that there is definitely something beyond this plane of being, but I sincerely doubt that a divine being who wields creation like we wield a pen or a spoon would honestly see it fit to 'punish' a handful of living creatures in the vast sea of existence with a mental disorder.

I believe that the soul is forced to come to this plane to learn something; be it humility, fear, love, forgiveness or something similar. People who are physically challenged are still people, not wrong-doers who were thrust into an existence they did not choose.



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27 Jul 2011, 12:49 pm

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Or maybe aliens did it.

(Irony)


I admit I have thought about that......lol but as far as I know its hard to switch fetuses in the womb without anyone noticing so I must be human. or they are damn good at surgery.



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27 Jul 2011, 12:53 pm

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Well this thread is for people who loathe Autism so much, like the OP and myself. If you think it as a reward or a blessing, start a thread saying ''Autism is God's way of rewarding people who were good to disabled people in their previous life''.


1) Reincarnation is not accepted in Judeo-Christian theology.
2) I have no idea why you "loathe" autism so much, and frankly I don't care but if that's the case you should go somewhere else. I very seriously doubt that Alex started this website with the intention of nurturing haters like you.


Why is there The Haven then?


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27 Jul 2011, 12:53 pm

I don't believe in past lives. I don't think God does, either. :P
I also don't think ASDs are a curse. It builds character and humbleness! Let's be positive. :)



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27 Jul 2011, 1:03 pm

I disagree. In fact this is slightly offensive.

I guess this is why I generally stay out of religion, because it gets so complicated and so much conflict comes out of it (though I'm not trying to put down religious people, I appreciate religion can sometimes be a good thing).

I really don't think that this is true.

If I believed in a God I certainly wouldn't believe that he would spend his time doing this. What's the point, after all, if we can't even remember who we were before or what we did wrong?

Also, this is kind of implying that neurotypical people are "better" and kinder than people with autism in any form, because they were kinder in their previous life, and again I completely disagree.

I don't see autism or asperger's as a blessing, but I don't see it as a punishment either. It's another part of the world. The world needs a variety of different things and different people to work. Some of these people with have physical illnesses, mental illnesses, disabilities, or autistic spectrum disorders. If there are things which make life more difficult for a person, I don't think that they should be blamed for it unless it is very clear they brought in on themselves- and in pretty much nearly every case, it isn't.



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27 Jul 2011, 1:08 pm

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You might think I am crazy for saying this.

Recently, I have come to believe that autism is just god's way of punishing someone who (in their previous life) made fun of/teased/insulted/abused handicapped people. I also believe that how severe their autism is based on how frequently they mistreated handicapped people. By this, I mean, the more they mistreated handicapped people in one life, the more severe their autism is in their next life.

1. If a person seldomly picked on handicapped people in one life, then God doesn't give them autism at all in their next life.
2. If a person occasionally picked on handicapped people, then God gives them a mild form of autism in their next life.
3. If a person constantly picked on handicapped people, then God gives them a severe form of autism in their next life.

This is just a belief of mine.

What do you guys think of this?

dude.........this is so wrong on so many levels. Thanks for proving yet again that i hate christians.



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27 Jul 2011, 1:12 pm

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dude.........this is so wrong on so many levels. Thanks for proving yet again that i hate christians.


Thanks for hating me. :( :x
By the way, Christians don't believe in reincarnation. you can definitely be a deist and not be a Chistian.



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27 Jul 2011, 1:16 pm

Don't force your religion down other people's throats. Not only is your idea ridiculous, but even if it was true I doubt that god would go around punishing people for little things that are long since forgotten.

I'm more inclined to believe that god doesn't exist and religion is just another form of controlling people than hear more of this "god is punishing us" crap. Seriously, I hear it everywhere, and as someone who wasn't raised soaking up that philosophy it makes me quite mad that people believe that drivel without a single question.


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27 Jul 2011, 1:25 pm

why people feed trolls :roll:


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27 Jul 2011, 1:50 pm

This makes perfect sense to me, I must've pushed a few disabled people into a river in my past life. And in response to the thought that God (if omni-benevolent) wouldn't give someone autism for this, then consider this: At least he didn't make me left-handed.

Now all we need is some hard scientific evidence, I expect this to be found within the next few months :D



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27 Jul 2011, 2:13 pm

Really? I would have said breathing.


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27 Jul 2011, 2:15 pm

God doesn't do that. In fact, he directly says that disability is not a punishment.

This incident, here:

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John 9:1-5
As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4 As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”


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27 Jul 2011, 2:22 pm

I'm left- handed, so I take offense to that. Just Kidding.
Anyway, I think God did tell me that I was going to be alone like at age 12 or so... I thought it was my mind because it was a big deal, like Cain for what I did and what He said. Just didn't want to believe it. But because of AS & claiming punishment too hard to bear/it becoming oppressive, He lessened it a bit. Still sort of hampered/hindered, even while going directly Jesus. I thought surrendering to Him He'd remove AS... Still, Thy will be done


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27 Jul 2011, 2:24 pm

chssmstrjk wrote:
You might think I am crazy for saying this.


Yep....

chssmstrjk wrote:
Recently, I have come to believe that autism is just god's way of punishing someone who (in their previous life) made fun of/teased/insulted/abused handicapped people.


...Sounds pretty crazy to me!

chssmstrjk wrote:
What do you guys think of this?


I think it is quite sad.

I don't even know if I believe in reincarnation, but whether or not it is real, I certainly do not believe I am being punished. I don't see autism as a punishment. In fact, your theory cannot be true for the simple fact that people with the severest form of autism cannot even perceive the severity of their condition. So a punishment that only those around them are able to perceive doesn't make sense.

Anyway, I do not believe God vindictively said, "you suck... here have some autism!"

Maybe a more positive perspective is: autism exists to teach people love, acceptance, and tolerance of others who are different from themselves. Maybe IF we are a lesson for someone, it is a lesson for those around us.

What I really think is that it just happens though. Like cancer, diabetes, down syndrome, etc. These things just happen. Not everyone can be "perfect"....whatever that means.


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27 Jul 2011, 2:36 pm

I DON'T BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION OR CURSES OR ANY OF THAT NONSENSE.
END OF STORY.