What is the autism state of mind explained verbally?

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11 Aug 2011, 4:45 pm

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What is the NT (non-Autistic) state of mind?

Sound silly? It should.

The only commonalities among Autistic people are meeting a set of generalized diagnostic criteria which do not apply to the NT statistical majority.

Moreover, there is no one "state of mind" even for the individual, let alone a group of millions.


wrong answer


:?: :!:

It's the perfect answer. You asked for OUR personal state of mind. She gave you hers.

What are you really up to here?



I call "troll".
Someone who demands an explanation of state-of-mind,
is asked to be more specific and explained that the question doesn't make sense as-written,
and follows up by saying that response is "wrong",
is not actually looking for substantive answers,
merely in getting their own panties in a twist.


you obviously here only to argue



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11 Aug 2011, 4:46 pm

MrXxx wrote:
Panic wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
What is the NT (non-Autistic) state of mind?

Sound silly? It should.

The only commonalities among Autistic people are meeting a set of generalized diagnostic criteria which do not apply to the NT statistical majority.

Moreover, there is no one "state of mind" even for the individual, let alone a group of millions.


wrong answer


:?: :!:

It's the perfect answer. You asked for OUR personal state of mind. She gave you hers.

What are you really up to here?


What are you really up to here? obviously not to answer the question... you seem like a troll instigator or something



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11 Aug 2011, 5:25 pm

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explain YOUR OWN PERSONAL STATE OF MIND , if you are on the spectrum..


A sense of an empty space that is fundamentally disconnected from everything else in existence. I think that should distinguish me from an NT.

I don't want to tease, but, bearing in mind the vid clip above, alexithymics, what's YOUR favourite colour?!



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11 Aug 2011, 5:43 pm

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What are you really up to here? obviously not to answer the question... you seem like a troll instigator or something
So far you've given one snippy rewording of your original question, laughed at a Monty Python video, and shot down in flames three perfectly valid responses.
I think you should maybe consider asking an answerable question - or just give up.


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11 Aug 2011, 5:56 pm

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I think you should maybe consider asking an answerable question - or just give up.


It depends on how you interpret the question. I explained how being autistic makes me feel that is more extreme than the normal - albeit writerly - 'human condition' sense of separateness - To touch on another thread 'round here, any individual life form that lacks a 'hive mind' or 'hive body' like ants or slime mould is autistic to the extent that it has a conscious 'self' separate from all others, whether or not it's internally reflective of this.



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11 Aug 2011, 6:08 pm

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I don't want to tease, but, bearing in mind the vid clip above, alexithymics, what's YOUR favourite colour?!


I'm very much an alexithymic person, but that doesn't mean I don't know what my favorite color is. I have issues with "favorites" in which I don't have a defined answer, but in those I do its easy. In my case for color its yellow. Because that's something factual I'm sure of, it doesn't have anything to do with my current emotional state. Favorite food on the other hand I'd be thrown off the cliff for. ;)



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11 Aug 2011, 6:13 pm

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explain YOUR OWN PERSONAL STATE OF MIND , if you are on the spectrum..


A sense of an empty space that is fundamentally disconnected from everything else in existence. I think that should distinguish me from an NT.

I don't want to tease, but, bearing in mind the vid clip above, alexithymics, what's YOUR favourite colour?!


ok this proves it, i have aspergers, i can totally relate to you on the disconnected quote...awsome... docotrs on the other hand cant see it....



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11 Aug 2011, 6:45 pm

You have one minor thing in common with ONE person with Asperger's and you claim it proves you have it?

Go ahead. Go to a doctor and tell them that you found something in common with some random person on the internet, but wait! he has AS, so clearly you do too. Go ahead. I dare you.



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11 Aug 2011, 6:48 pm

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I'm very much an alexithymic person, but that doesn't mean I don't know what my favorite color is. I have issues with "favorites" in which I don't have a defined answer, but in those I do its easy. In my case for color its yellow. Because that's something factual I'm sure of, it doesn't have anything to do with my current emotional state. Favorite food on the other hand I'd be thrown off the cliff for. ;)


*Laughs* - FYI your current emotional state is a fact - It's only social custom that can attach it to particular words and the agreed concepts that go with them.



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11 Aug 2011, 6:51 pm

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You have one minor thing in common with ONE person with Asperger's and you claim it proves you have it?

Go ahead. Go to a doctor and tell them that you found something in common with some random person on the internet, but wait! he has AS.


What I said is no 'minor thing' as you put it - Like I said, it's an extreme variant of something I hear many authors of fiction have raised, and I dare anyone here to say they don't feel the same way most if not all the time. How else are we supposed to feel when confronted with a world we struggle to perceive, let alone manipulate? In any case, why has the thread irritated you so evidently?



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11 Aug 2011, 8:50 pm

SuperTrouper wrote:
You have one minor thing in common with ONE person with Asperger's and you claim it proves you have it?

Go ahead. Go to a doctor and tell them that you found something in common with some random person on the internet, but wait! he has AS, so clearly you do too. Go ahead. I dare you.


your mean....



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11 Aug 2011, 8:52 pm

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You have one minor thing in common with ONE person with Asperger's and you claim it proves you have it?

Go ahead. Go to a doctor and tell them that you found something in common with some random person on the internet, but wait! he has AS.


What I said is no 'minor thing' as you put it - Like I said, it's an extreme variant of something I hear many authors of fiction have raised, and I dare anyone here to say they don't feel the same way most if not all the time. How else are we supposed to feel when confronted with a world we struggle to perceive, let alone manipulate? In any case, why has the thread irritated you so evidently?


if there were friending on wrongplanet, i would friend you undefinable, your a good man,



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11 Aug 2011, 9:05 pm

It irritates me simply because he's running around trying to back people into saying something just so that he can "prove" he has autism, when various doctors have told him they don't think he does. He finds this or that and said, "THAT PROVES IT!" It does not. I deemed it minor because it is not even a diagnostic criterion.

Also, I do not necessarily feel disconnected. Sometimes I feel TOO connected, actually, to the point of overwhelming.



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11 Aug 2011, 9:07 pm

That said, Panic, you're right in that I wasn't very nice. I apologize. But, I stand by the sentiment I expressed.



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11 Aug 2011, 9:10 pm

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It irritates me simply because he's running around trying to back people into saying something just so that he can "prove" he has autism, when various doctors have told him they don't think he does. He finds this or that and said, "THAT PROVES IT!" It does not. I deemed it minor because it is not even a diagnostic criterion.

Also, I do not necessarily feel disconnected. Sometimes I feel TOO connected, actually, to the point of overwhelming.


hey i used to collect stuff when i was young,

show lack of emotions

lack of voice dynamics

lack of i contact

if you compare me to the average 23 year old i look vry different

most 23 year olds have very balanced rich lives,
there are 21 year olds in the military

You feel me? :roll:



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11 Aug 2011, 9:14 pm

Perhaps I do. See, I keep gaining weight. Now, I'm not huge, but I weigh more than I feel good weighing, and I just keep gaining. I basically eat rice and vegetables (GFCFSF, low sugar, no dyes, no HFCS), and not a lot of those, and I still gain. I exercise; I swim, I walk... I gain.

And the doctors? They just say, "Eat less. Exercise more."

And when I listened to them over and over, I was eating 100 calories a day and running 15 miles a day, and ended up hospitalized three times. It's true. But still, I was "overweight."

If one more doctor tells me, "You're fine. Fat, but fine," I think I'll totally lose it on whomever that doctor dares to be.

So, yes, maybe I do understand your frustration.

That said, why not take strategies that help people with autism and use them?

Why not be satisfied to identify with being on the broader autism phenotype? Affected, but not diagnosably so.