Aspergers mentioned in the Daily Mail

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15 Aug 2011, 7:50 am

See this is why I have renamed this particular paper the 'Daily fail'.


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15 Aug 2011, 10:44 am

Good to see the comment section putting the tabloid straight on that page. It beggars belief that millions of UK citizens still buy these rags.



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15 Aug 2011, 11:08 am

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Wow that article is something else! It is really crass. What I don't understand is how do doners who advertise through the internet get out of paying child support?


Sperm donors are pretty well protected in the Netherlands, and rightly so.

It's the women's own fault because they could've simply waited in line and doing this opens them up for all kinds of nasty STD's and other heritable stuff. I do think that the man should've been open about it, though. Genetics do play a role and I could understand it if, given the choice, two people would rather not have an autistic child. The whole point of sperm donors is that you can kind of figure out which genes you want.

Sperm donors who go through clinics are. Whoever goes through the internet should know better. What do they expect from the internet?

Besides, I thought sperm donation didn't involve having sex, just a bathroom, petri dish or test tube and a magazine.

These sound like hookups to me.



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15 Aug 2011, 11:16 am

The Daily Wail is like a giant troll, whipping up sentiment so that it keeps on getting attention.



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15 Aug 2011, 12:00 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
Good to see the comment section putting the tabloid straight on that page. It beggars belief that millions of UK citizens still buy these rags.


:lol: okay, you can call me autistic here, but I used to think that ALL papers wrote the truth and nothing but the truth! I used to buy the Daily Mail, not realising how biased it, and other papers, can be. Within a short time I started ranting about immigration, saying really bigoted things and believing that all the problems were caused by Muslims. Thankfully my Mum (who is much smarter than me!) realised that I wasn't actually against immigration, I wasn't a bigot and I didn't really think Muslims caused all the problems in the world! I was just reading this in the Daily FAIL and believing it was true! Thankfully as an enlightened 23 year old, I now realise how stupid the paper is and it's views.

Needless to say I no longer venture beyond the local paper and I try not to believe all of that either!


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15 Aug 2011, 2:25 pm

Oh no, Autism is now contagious...

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Those two sites have since banned him but there are fears he will continue to infect women witht the autism gene by changing his identity and advertising elsewhere.

If only it was infectious... hmmm, the blood-brain barrier won't allow somatic alteration, but a viral vector which infects the gametes should allow pre-conception conversion of the next generation...

But, you use an "unofficial sperm donor" like him, and you're surprised at the results? I feel sorry for the kids - with mothers like these...

That's if the story is true, the Daily Fail and other papers are notorius for making things up.



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15 Aug 2011, 2:37 pm

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:lol: okay, you can call me autistic here, but I used to think that ALL papers wrote the truth and nothing but the truth!

I can so totally relate. I can still remember the shock, when aged 7, I noticed something in two books which contradicted each other. Thus I found out that not everything printed in my precious books was not the truth. It was awful!



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15 Aug 2011, 9:22 pm

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*sigh* Typical Daily Mail, that's not to say that it is okay though.

The story itself is bad enough, the reporting however is ignorant in it's contents and prejudice in it's tone.
Anyone else fancy writing a strongly worded letter to the editor demanding an apology...


What exactly is there to be mad about? From what I can tell, it states pretty much what you can read almost anywhere about autism. You do realize that Asperger's genes will also throw Low Funtioning Autism too right? This is EXACTLY why you have requirements about sperm donors that include NO genetically known DNA. These women were lied to and they paid a great deal of money to have this thrown at them.

Hands in the air all of you who want to have to change your kid's diapers for 50 or more years? How many of you can even afford the costs associated with raising this sort of person and would chose to spend your money that way over the posibility of having a more normally developing child? I am not talking about you raising your own child, but rather you going out to select a sperm so that you can have a child... ANYONE would select a sperm that would give their precious child the very best chance at life....

Look at the statistics of all of us even?! !! We're considered HIGHer functioning and most of us are unemployed, on SSI or SSDI and/or suffering from one of the MANY comorbid conditions of Autism. Choose this for my child on purpose? Read the "Haven" one day to see how horrible this disorder (and YES it is a disorder) can get to those affected by it.

Uh.... No thank you.

You can "sugarcoat" the world in anyway that you want, but autism is NOT all fun and NOT all games and especially NOT something that we should force on other peoples' children in these times.



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15 Aug 2011, 11:56 pm

KFisher, my impression after reading the article is these women went the fast and cheap route, choosing to hook up with some guy off the internet instead of taking the time and spending the money at a clinic that thoroughly screen folks for all kinds of things. If they are going to hookup with people who advertise online and who are not affiliated with any clinics what do they expect? Who knows, the donation itself could have been entirely free. These people are taking a big risk. Autism is the least of their worries.



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16 Aug 2011, 12:23 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
KFisher, my impression after reading the article is these women went the fast and cheap route, choosing to hook up with some guy off the internet instead of taking the time and spending the money at a clinic that thoroughly screen folks for all kinds of things. If they are going to hookup with people who advertise online and who are not affiliated with any clinics what do they expect? Who knows, the donation itself could have been entirely free. These people are taking a big risk. Autism is the least of their worries.


I did not read "hook up". Does it specifically say that they had sex with this person? He could easily hand them a sample of his fluids and they could have it inseminated. I don't know why you think "hook up". Also did you read where these women are discriminated against due to their sexual preferences? (This btw also tells me that they did not have SEX with this person) You do not know of the culture there nor the "risk" associated with buying sperm from an individual versus not. It could be that this practice is very common and this incident is 1 in 10,000. In which case it can be argued as an intelligent risk for these women who would have to otherwise wait for up to 3 years to even be considered. Oh and btw. How does this clinic thouroughly screen for Aspergers? The guy could lie to the clinics too. It is mostly invisible remember? You guys are all jumping to all these "conclusions" and judging the women and that boggles my mind. They are the victims here. First of the practice of discrimination based on their sexual preference and then by this monster who lied about his geneology and his disorder. Now these women have to raise a child who potentially will need massive services for the rest of his life. I beg to differ. Autism is a potential HUGE worry for them.



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16 Aug 2011, 12:35 am

Funny how the comments of readers can be reported but the articles of writers who obviously do not have a clue cannot.

^This post has been severely edited with great restraint...otherwise you may have been subjected to a great deal of swearing and venting.



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16 Aug 2011, 12:43 am

kfisherx wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
You guys are all jumping to all these "conclusions" and judging the women and that boggles my mind. They are the victims here. First of the practice of discrimination based on their sexual preference and then by this monster who lied about his geneology and his disorder. Now these women have to raise a child who potentially will need massive services for the rest of his life. I beg to differ. Autism is a potential HUGE worry for them.


The women are NOT the victims here, they all knew what they were getting into and they all knew the risk (even if they were all too stupid to acknowledge them)...the true victims are the children who will be treated with suspicion now for the rest of their lives.

I believe it has already started, since they have been tested for autism, even though no-one can ever truly know, especially this early in the game.

Now what happens to this children, will they be thrown away and abandoned because they have a "ret*d gene" as I was?

And yes, this man should be thrown in jail because this really is not all that different to having AIDS, though not as life-threatening. He should've explained his aspergers and how it likely affects the intelligence (both bad and good sides) and let them make the decision...from an intellectual standpoint I do not class this as anything less than rape, he knew he had, lets call them "issues" and still he went out looking to knock up as many women as possible regardless of any possible consequences.



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16 Aug 2011, 1:02 am

How do we even know that the guy "lied"? He may not even know he's on the spectrum!

Moreover, he may not consider a lie of omission in the same way some other people do. Although I intellectually understand the concept of a lie of omission, I wouldn't consider withholding information to be a lie. Now, if he was asked "have you been diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder?" and he has, and he said no, that is certainly a lie.

Some of the responses here, and the original article, just make me angry. Wow, now an autistic person reproducing through whatever means is like deliberately spreading HIV/AIDS? Urgh, I suppose I should just sterilize myself right now. Either that, or never again have sex with my (also on the spectrum) husband. <sarcasm>



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16 Aug 2011, 1:08 am

You took my comment out of context.

I said "if he knew himself to have aspergers" and went out to father as many children as he could regardless without informing anyone it is the same thing.

Aspergers and AIDS is not the same thing, but the crime.
The crime here is omitance of information.
Having aids is not a crime.
Having aspergers or autism is not a crime.

Fathering as many children as you can without telling the potential mothers is. (But you have already stated that in your opinion doing that is perfectly acceptable)

I find it completely unacceptable, if someone asks if you have HIV and you say no, because it has progressed to full blown AIDS yet you do not tell them this because they didn't ask the specific question...wow, sometimes I cannot believe that people think that is acceptable.



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16 Aug 2011, 1:19 am

If that's what he did--and it's by no means a sure thing--then it is not rape. The only thing comparable to rape is rape, sheesh.

Are people required to disclose their entire genetic history before having heterosexual sex, now? Seems rather ridiculous to me. Failure to disclose a neurological condition is not the same thing as knowingly transmitting a fatal sexually transmitted disease.



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16 Aug 2011, 1:41 am

And you honestly expect quality reporting from a UK trash newspaper?


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