"Stereotyped and restricted" interests

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Verdandi
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23 Aug 2011, 6:41 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Shouldn't we look at the spirit of the criteria? Isn't that what professionals do?


These statements make no sense to me. I assume the spirit of the criteria is to assist with diagnosis.

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Also, stereotyped interests are not the only diagnostic criteria to be met for diagnosis. An NT could have a stereotyped interest like dinosaurs for example, without clumsiness or repetitive behaviors. When I was young, I didn't hand flap, which is what is associated with ASDs but I did turn the light switch on and off until my mother made me stop. I had this fascination with lids I could swirl on top of vases or whatever it was. It didn't work with all containers because the lids were not always the same type. I would open and close doors over and over. She thought it was weird I did these things and would get hopelessly frustrated at me. I had other repetitive behaviors one might not associate with ASDs, but they were there.

The stereotyped interest might not be that unusual in itself, only when accompanied by other criteria in the same individual.


I don't understand why you're pointing out that stereotyped interests are not the only diagnostic criteria to be met for diagnosis. That statement makes no sense in reference to what I said, which is just that the stereotyped interests are under the "repetitive behavior" criteria. I also do not recall stating that one only needs stereotyped interests to meet the criteria for any ASD.

Here's what I mean by repetitive: One of my interests was one game. I spent all my time reading the rules, stacking and lining up the pieces, looking over the supplemental materials. I actually spent very little time actually playing the game (I didn't really care about finding other people to play). I am not saying NTs never do this, nor am I saying that this is enough to diagnose me with AS or autism or PDD-NOS. All I am saying is that I do not think that it means "stereotypical interests" in the sense of something like "trains" or whatever. I do not believe the word "stereotype" is used in that context in the criteria.



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23 Aug 2011, 6:51 pm

Because people think the stereotyped interest is only seen in ASDs and having a repetitive interest must mean someone has an ASD. I was negating that.

Anyway, I get what you are saying and that can be taken as one type of repetitive interest. Another might be the interest that becomes a focal point in one's life, like the kid who is obsessed with dinosaurs. It's repetitive because the child keeps referring to the interest over and over. You could liken it to an obsession of sorts.

Spirit of the criteria refers to inferring what is not written into the criteria but is related to it and could be taken into account when diagnosing someone.



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23 Aug 2011, 8:40 pm

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My interests are obsessive. I think a lot about them and get extremely excited around them. But I don't remember details/facts of them well I don't think. And when it's brought up, the topic, I'm usually too excited to say anything. I saw an image of one of my interests on TV and all I could do was point and say 'look look it's _____ look look" etc. No monlogues, no fact memorization. It's just immersion and happiness.


I'm more like this too. When I get obsessed with something, I can't stop thinking/reading/watching/searching (about) it exactly for that feeling of immersion and happiness. I don't talk about them much at all. I'm not very good at reproducing information out of my memory, and even worse at expressing it.


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24 Aug 2011, 3:27 am

Here's a question

I rock back and forth to music, it's a compulsive thing, I can choose
to stop, but I get extremely agitated when requested to do so
or if I can't do it, and in those moments when I can't do it
all I think and care about is rocking.
and I do it many times a day

Is this self stimulatory behavior or ritualistic type of behavior?

I'm thinking it can be both, I also rock when extremely excited or happy or pace when I'm nervous, I'm THOSE are self stimulatory behaviors but I'm having a hard time seperating what's a stim and what's a ritualistic behavior


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24 Aug 2011, 5:46 am

M_LibertyGirl wrote:
buryuntime wrote:
My interests are obsessive. I think a lot about them and get extremely excited around them. But I don't remember details/facts of them well I don't think. And when it's brought up, the topic, I'm usually too excited to say anything. I saw an image of one of my interests on TV and all I could do was point and say 'look look it's _____ look look" etc. No monlogues, no fact memorization. It's just immersion and happiness.


I'm more like this too. When I get obsessed with something, I can't stop thinking/reading/watching/searching (about) it exactly for that feeling of immersion and happiness. I don't talk about them much at all. I'm not very good at reproducing information out of my memory, and even worse at expressing it.

Both of this. Oh well, I don't get so excited since I'm 38, I guess... I try to talk about my interests with others, and though sometimes I succeed, most of the time I'm the one who listens to someone who is really 'stereotypically' knowledgeable on a specific subject.



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24 Aug 2011, 10:53 am

Textbook example time!

If you go by what this

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encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus


is supposed to describe then you get this for AS:

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As in Autistic Disorder, restricted, repetitive patterns of behaviour, interests, and activities are present. Often these are primarily manifest in the development of encompassing preoccupations about a circumscribed topic or interest, about which the individual can amass a great deal of facts and information. These interests and activities are pursued with great intensity often to the exclusion of other activities.


Edit: Wait, I forgot the other thing!

In short "abnormal intensity" means someone with a special interest is someone

* who won't talk about anything but their special interest
* who tries but cannot uphold a conversation about other topics including people's wants/needs because their special interest gets in the way
* who can talk about others things but experiences great difficulty to discuss those things without going back to their special interest

and/or someone

* who cannot or can but has difficulty to keep to a "typical" schedule of taking care of themselves and their lives because their special interest "gets in the way" of for example eating meals regularly/at normal times, taking care of their health/hygiene, keeping their place clean and tidy, remembering appointments...

= having trouble doing whatever things are considered "necessary" or "normal" because they can't stop thinking about/doing their special interest

Now I forgot about "abnormal focus" before.

It is supposed to describe a narrow interest though someone else will probably explain that better than me. I just forgot time and should not be here anymore.


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24 Aug 2011, 5:57 pm

My interests aren't restricted in the sense that I'm not open minded, but I only like to take on one thing at a time.

I can get interested in almost anything, but I do focus on SAID thing narrowly until I move onto the next thing.



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24 Aug 2011, 6:19 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Because people think the stereotyped interest is only seen in ASDs and having a repetitive interest must mean someone has an ASD. I was negating that.

Anyway, I get what you are saying and that can be taken as one type of repetitive interest. Another might be the interest that becomes a focal point in one's life, like the kid who is obsessed with dinosaurs. It's repetitive because the child keeps referring to the interest over and over. You could liken it to an obsession of sorts.

Spirit of the criteria refers to inferring what is not written into the criteria but is related to it and could be taken into account when diagnosing someone.


Yeah, I agree with all of this.