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25 Aug 2011, 4:43 pm

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Truth? I'd love to be spoiled, even for a little while. Super self indulgence - though not to the point of self harm or harm to others - just to know what it would feel like.


I found it to be rather unsatisfying, ultimately.

Maybe I indulged in the wrong things.



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25 Aug 2011, 4:50 pm

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many people are 7 spoiled


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25 Aug 2011, 5:07 pm

On the spelling point, "spoilt" is correct if you're British, "spoiled" if you're American. "Two great nations divided by a common language". If you're Canadian or Kiwi, I'm not sure.

And I do think almost all North American (probably not Mexican) and British teenagers are somewhat spoiled, compared to fifty years or so ago, and that includes people who are on welfare. OTOH, teens are inclined to be self-centered just by the age-group, and not yet being responsible for their children. You grow up more quickly when you have a baby in your life who needs feeding and changing.



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25 Aug 2011, 6:22 pm

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On the spelling point, "spoilt" is correct if you're British, "spoiled" if you're American. "Two great nations divided by a common language". If you're Canadian or Kiwi, I'm not sure.

And I do think almost all North American (probably not Mexican) and British teenagers are somewhat spoiled, compared to fifty years or so ago, and that includes people who are on welfare. OTOH, teens are inclined to be self-centered just by the age-group, and not yet being responsible for their children. You grow up more quickly when you have a baby in your life who needs feeding and changing.


People are basically the same as they've always been. There was never a "golden age" except maybe for select highly privileged groups of people. As far as it goes, there are so many more reasons why it's a good thing it's not 1961 anymore (say the Civil Rights Act in the US, just for one) than any notional idea that there was ever a time when people were less self-centered than they are now.



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25 Aug 2011, 9:10 pm

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I don't know if i spelled it correctly.But that's not what matters.Let's take for example teenagers.They feel crap and depressed because their parents did not let them go to a party or wanted them to study.Imagine what they would feel if they got through that we have got through or other minorities like black people,slaves...People who lived wars,genocides,fought for the right.I mean how would these people(the spoiled) fight for their country if it would be needed?They feel that their life is screwed because they may leave a girl pregnant and they won't have their life now,of going to parties and to clubs till the morning and getting drunk.


That is not why I felt depressed when i was a teenager, it was because I did and still do have Major Depression( I am now 22)...and my life was not all that great either, I had no friends, people treated me like crap and I always had to supress how I felt or it would only add to the arguments and problems at home.

My mom could not really even ground me because I did not really do anything.....and had no friends so its not like telling me I had to stay home would have had much of an effect as that is what I did anyways. So don't pretend you know everyones situation.



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25 Aug 2011, 9:17 pm

No,yes bad always existed but not as big as now.There are two reasons i think:

1.Technology(not it inself bad)

2.Atheism and the so called liberations



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25 Aug 2011, 9:23 pm

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No,yes bad always existed but not as big as now.There are two reasons i think:

1.Technology(not it inself bad)

2.Atheism and the so called liberations


Yes, if we where all religious, conservatives and had less technology things would be so much better. I have to disagree there.



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25 Aug 2011, 9:23 pm

JohnyJohn wrote:
No,yes bad always existed but not as big as now.There are two reasons i think:

1.Technology(not it inself bad)

2.Atheism and the so called liberations


Atheism causes bad? HMM dunno if I wanna go into that argument but... wow ok. Sure.



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25 Aug 2011, 9:24 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
JohnyJohn wrote:
No,yes bad always existed but not as big as now.There are two reasons i think:

1.Technology(not it inself bad)

2.Atheism and the so called liberations


Yes, if we where all religious, conservatives and had less technology things would be so much better. I have to disagree there.


Right? What is this, Pakistan?



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25 Aug 2011, 9:26 pm

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Sweetleaf wrote:
JohnyJohn wrote:
No,yes bad always existed but not as big as now.There are two reasons i think:

1.Technology(not it inself bad)

2.Atheism and the so called liberations


Yes, if we where all religious, conservatives and had less technology things would be so much better. I have to disagree there.


Right? What is this, Pakistan?


I certianly hope not.



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25 Aug 2011, 9:58 pm

I used to hate children. All of them, even when I was one. Evil, spoiled things they were.

Until I got to work in a bike shop teaching 4 and 5 year old Somali refugees how to change a flat tire and use a crescent wrench and such. those kids were great. They really wanted to learn, not just make me do things for them.

I don't think it's technology that spoils people. It's convenience. Having too much free time = spoiled. That dishwashing machine sure is a real time saver, now you have 15 more minutes a day to sit on the couch and do nothing.

Doing things the hard way "builds character," right? I like to do most things the hard way. I don't watch TV or ride in cars or airplaines. I do love machines, and work on electronics and bikes and use power tools for carpentry and metalworking. Not a technophobe. But I'd rather use that 100 year old hand crank coffee grinder than have that noisy vibrating Krups grinder screaming at me first thing in the morning. Hand powered machines are extra fascinating. Some of them are very cleverly designed, beautiful to look at and touch.

Oh, and I have not experienced boredom since 2007. That's what I got for refusing to let conveniences continue to spoil me. I got freedom from boredom. Maybe it would work for you too?



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25 Aug 2011, 11:25 pm

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I used to hate children. All of them, even when I was one. Evil, spoiled things they were.

Until I got to work in a bike shop teaching 4 and 5 year old Somali refugees how to change a flat tire and use a crescent wrench and such. those kids were great. They really wanted to learn, not just make me do things for them.

I don't think it's technology that spoils people. It's convenience. Having too much free time = spoiled. That dishwashing machine sure is a real time saver, now you have 15 more minutes a day to sit on the couch and do nothing.

Doing things the hard way "builds character," right? I like to do most things the hard way. I don't watch TV or ride in cars or airplaines. I do love machines, and work on electronics and bikes and use power tools for carpentry and metalworking. Not a technophobe. But I'd rather use that 100 year old hand crank coffee grinder than have that noisy vibrating Krups grinder screaming at me first thing in the morning. Hand powered machines are extra fascinating. Some of them are very cleverly designed, beautiful to look at and touch.

Oh, and I have not experienced boredom since 2007. That's what I got for refusing to let conveniences continue to spoil me. I got freedom from boredom. Maybe it would work for you too?


Yes exactly. It's the whole lifestyle about it. The drive to learn is warped by teaching useless, boring, theoretical things; the drive to be productive warped by turning every mundane but necessary action into a chore, done to make someone ELSE'S life more convenient. When as a child did I learn to work with my hands to create things of real, tangible value? Never. And so I learned to be lazy, that life was best if I could just sit back and consume. Now I realize it I plan to simplify my life, but yes. The more we blunder down the path of convenience as a society, the less empowered we will become, and life will become increasingly disconnected for all.



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25 Aug 2011, 11:46 pm

spoilt doesn't matter where you live or how much your parents earn. it just means you don't have to earn what you get. no there is no speculation on what spoilt means you're just dumb.


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26 Aug 2011, 1:09 am

If you noticed i said technology is not in itself bad.Just the bad use.There are two bads of technology.The misuse of it and the ecological damage.



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26 Aug 2011, 1:12 am

Being spoilt means having to work for more than two hours a day.

Surely this means that the Gods aren't spoilt, though they can never get enough of whatever.

Strangely, Aspergers syncs well with being spoilt by Petronius, as only the overly rational can be a distinct observer, while the socially inappropriate is all that is else desired by others, but not so from. I'll list that to the preacher's desire for demons.

Being spoilt by being kissed by the Gods, I like to think of many of my seizures as my visits to "A Midsummer Night's Dream," or anyways that's what Oberon tells me, so that I may be a more careful Puck. But, Epilepsy is even more mischievous than I am under the Gods' influence, so when I see what fools those mere mortals be, the question should Oberon be respected counter to the reality he knows and created, as all Gods do, is answered for itself.

Miracles amongst these mere mortals are often frustrating with predestination and the nonsense of free will and chance, so I will simply quote with what snippet is there of B.F. Skinner's "Particulars of My Life" on page 227, and St. Peter's alleged irritation with miracles just like mine which are often spoilt. (books-dot-google "Particulars of My Life Skinner" (1977), search "dice" often works when the copyright demons aren't angry).

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26 Aug 2011, 3:26 am

@Winslow Lovin your Dalek icon right now.

I live in LA with all the party people too so yeah. Of course I'll be hearing on a daily basis about all their complaints regarding how they couldn't afford any more weed or how much homework they have or how school is sh** because of budget cuts even though we go to one of the top art schools (which explains the weed) in America that provide all the freaking supplies (the quality of which they complain about too) and they have no need to complain. However, since being more privileged than others is all they've known (i.e. as opposed to having little to nothing), our current situation is hell for them. On the other hand, I'm a bit spoiled in that I just use the money I'm given to buy stuff about my interests, because I have more Magic the Gathering cards than I know what to do with.


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