How can I have such a high IQ and yet be so slow???

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02 Sep 2011, 12:09 pm

I would go as far as to say that having a genius level IQ, while being slow in appearance (with regard to learning regular skills and scholastics), is a VERY common Asperger's trait. In fact, I don't know anyone with AS, who is not in some way gifted with higher intelligence.

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02 Sep 2011, 12:57 pm

I am in the gifted range on IQ. I am also in university, and have a near 4.0 GPA. I am not stupid, but I do certainly feel that way much of the time. I also feel "slow" in comparison to people with far lower IQs and who have far worse grades than myself. I think that is because my emotional IQ (55) is extremely low and basically "ret*d" and I think an EIQ can almost have more of an impact on a person than an IQ.


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02 Sep 2011, 1:18 pm

I happened to ask myself the same question. I made three different IQ tests, and I scored above 170 in every single one. I hate IQ tests, because they say nothing about me, other than judging my logic. I know that I can think incredibly fast, I can count things in the split of a second, yet I always sucked at higher mathematics (ok, I admit I do think it has to do with the fact that the classes were too crowded for me to focus on the lessons), In social situations, I have to rely on my speedy thinking to reach below average response times to social cues, one of the reasons why it strains me so much, I figured that out. Try to focus on how much it makes you think to do things that come easy and natural to other people, and you'll see that even a far above average intelligence is insufficient to process information that you just cannot process subconciously.



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02 Sep 2011, 1:22 pm

Is slow bad? Isn't it ancient wisdom that slowing down and meditating on things makes you a much more balanced, wise person? It just comes off as negative in a world in which everyone is pushed into the red. Thus the phenomena of greater exponentially-expanding collective knowledge, at the cost of so many individuals being blithering idiots because, as swbluto pointed out, they base their interactions on shoddy snap assumptions.



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02 Sep 2011, 1:30 pm

I'm half an idiot soo.. but I can say this I feel the same way when someone is talking to me.



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02 Sep 2011, 1:46 pm

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How is it possible that someone can have an IQ of 143 and still be really slow?

I find I am really slow when I have to say something. I always feel like the person talking to me is pressuring me and trying to get a response as fast as possible. Whenever I talk, it feels like there is nothing to talk about and that the people I speak to have nothing in common.

If I do not talk about the things I like. I have nothing to say... I might describe it as similar to the poverty of speech experienced by schizophrenics, because I cannot find any list that has poverty of speech as an autistic condition.


The answer is probably to looked for in your social anxiety. You need a secure environment to be able to think and act properly. The IQ test gives you this environment. You probably haven't played enough when you where young, and you have a distorted sense of reality and and consequences. I have the same issue. You can cure it but it's not easy.



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02 Sep 2011, 7:07 pm

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... And i've always wondered how can i be apparently so clever yet so daft lol. I was told its because i use my IQ not for academic reasons but to simply fit in with my surroundings, to act normal and to be able to read other people. I';m not very good at either so if i didnt have the IQ I'd be worse than a vulcan at emotions lol. maybe the same is with you?

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Neurotypicals often make assumptions which makes reasoning through the rest of the details much faster. If the assumption is wrong, they change the decision/thinking. Through a history of trial/error, they get a "feel" for which assumptions are more accurate than not, which allows them to speed up the processing speeds with experience. This is essentially how they process social situations - i.e., through the use of stereotypes and superficial to semi-superficial judgments. It can be faulty but it can make decision making pretty quick. And, in a superficial world, you don't *really* need to be accurate 100% of the time; mistakes are often easily overlooked and if it's a really critical mistake, just blow the person off - you have your own friends, anyways, after all. Who needs to please everyone with 100% accuracy? If anything, being a nit-picky pedant is a social faux pas.


What makes you think that NTs work in this way? You are assuming that NTs have to think in a way similar to you. I cannot think like an NT, and so I can't say exactly how they think. I just know that it is different to me. What I do know, because I make use of my NT colleagues' abilities, is that they are able to take in an awful lot of information and process it without thinking and rationalising about it. They have a natural situation awareness. I work particularly well with one colleague who is able to sum up changing situations in a way that I can understand. He can do this very quickly, in real time, and more accurately than me, I can then apply my reasoning skills to build successful plans and develop solutions much faster and more accurately than him.

His skills are not based on assumption, no more than mine are. If I had his situational awareness skills, I would be a genious. Unfortunately, I don't so I'll just have to remain the cleaver bloke that's a bit daft. Also, everyone needs to make assumptions from time to time, to fill in the gaps of our knowledge. I have made many a social faux pas because I have assumed wrongly about a situation. My NT friends do not have to make so many social assumptions.



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02 Sep 2011, 7:26 pm

Psh. Curing.

Just do what I do and intentionally strike different thoughtful faces. Some NTs eat that **** up.



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02 Sep 2011, 7:47 pm

Rebel_Nowe wrote:
Psh. Curing.

Just do what I do and intentionally strike different thoughtful faces. Some NTs eat that **** up.


Lol I know right?



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02 Sep 2011, 11:59 pm

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DO lots of brain vomiting: Record yourself speaking for 10 minutes with the goal of not having a single silent second. Do that every day for a mouth and you'll be cured. It's important that you record yourself cause it creates a mild pressure that you need.


You wouldn't happen to be some sort of prophet, would you? THAT IS BRILLIANT.

I don't usually like typing in all caps, but I really mean that.

Oh, and in response to the OP, I'm the same way.


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03 Sep 2011, 1:44 am

Well I have an average IQ and speak to people rather fast and impulsively.

I think it makes for a good balance.


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03 Sep 2011, 2:34 am

TheWingman wrote:
DO lots of brain vomiting: Record yourself speaking for 10 minutes with the goal of not having a single silent second. Do that every day for a mouth and you'll be cured. It's important that you record yourself cause it creates a mild pressure that you need.


That is a fine idea but will that result dialogue that is intelligible or just a kind of filler? Not trying to knock it at all but it sounds like my experiences listening to people on coke or speed jabber on endlessly. There were words aplenty to be sure, but nothing worthwhile was ever uttered by their mouths.



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03 Sep 2011, 3:35 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with IQ tests, don't they tend to measure your scores on several domains, then give you a evened-out score?

So, you'd have a score for verbal, a score for processing speed, etc.

OP, I wonder if there is a discrepancy between whatever is your highest score[s] and your processing speeds. That could be a reason why you might find it problematic to have conversations with people.

Also, I don't ascribe to trying to second-guess how non-autistic people interact with the world. I'm not them, and they are not me. I wouldn't want someone to second-guess how I view social interactions either.


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16 Sep 2011, 10:44 pm

maybe being slow gave you a high IQ? would make sense in my eyes.


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17 Sep 2011, 5:17 am

SmallFruitSong wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but with IQ tests, don't they tend to measure your scores on several domains, then give you a evened-out score?

So, you'd have a score for verbal, a score for processing speed, etc.

OP, I wonder if there is a discrepancy between whatever is your highest score[s] and your processing speeds. That could be a reason why you might find it problematic to have conversations with people.

Also, I don't ascribe to trying to second-guess how non-autistic people interact with the world. I'm not them, and they are not me. I wouldn't want someone to second-guess how I view social interactions either.


While processing speed is associated with one's verbal production speed, verbal production speed is more dependent on parts of memory not measured by the IQ test and is better measured by the Stroop test. Also, the IQ test measures one's deductive ability which is not the same as one's inductive ability, so while you might have great analytical prowess, you could still have the rigidity and unimaginitiveness of .... someone rigid and unimaginative. The combination of unimaginitiveness and slow verbal production speeds could give the impression that one is "slow"...



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17 Sep 2011, 10:34 pm

Dabbel wrote:
How is it possible that someone can have an IQ of 143 and still be really slow?


I've always wondered the same thing!

By my speech mannerism people wouldn't think my IQ is above 100.


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