Aspergers/Autism and psychedelics.
I've tried a few, but mushrooms made me feel more NT in a sense that I could see how empathy existed and such. I still thought logically, but I felt a sense of another way of thinking.
Psychoactive plants and chemicals are one of my subjects of interest, more specifically psychedelic plants, fungi, cacti, & chemicals. I didn't try a single thing until I was about 20 years old, and this was after about a year of research at the public library. Just like with all my subjects of interest, psychedelics had my curiosity since I was a kid and I wanted to learn as much about them as I could, especially before I took my first few grams of mushrooms.
As far as psychedelics go, I have experience with.....Mushrooms, Mescaline, LSD, LSA, DMT, , 25i-nbome and cannabis. And some substances that aren't quite considered a "classic psychedelic" but share aspects of the psychedelic experience such as MDMA, Ketamine, Methoxetamine.
Mushrooms were the first psychedelic I took, as it is for most people, which is funny as I find mushrooms to have the highest potential for a "bad trip". 3g+ of mushrooms are very heavy on the emotions and can tear apart the ego with ease, when people start losing sense of their ego (ego being everything that is them, everything that they are, the sense of self) they start to think that they're dying. But if you can manage to "go with the flow", know that you're physically not going to die, then that's when the work can start. With out my ego in the way I can look at problems in my life from a completely different perspective, and analyze my self . The details of the experience are so hard to convey, and the benefits from the experience are to personal to explain, but I will say my first few experiences with mushrooms were probably the most eye opening experiences I've ever had in life. Opened my eyes to the deepest realms of my internal self, and the connection I have to the world around me.
LSD.....LSD is actually pretty easy going, generally speaking, much easier of an experience to handle compared to mushrooms in my opinion and experience. My mind remains lucid and clear (relatively speaking). While mushrooms seemed to turn me inward, completely introspective and self analyzing, LSD turns me outwards. Makes me ponder the world around me, the fundamental mechanics of so-called "reality" , the workings of this universe we reside in. It's much more of a social psychedelic, while I will only eat mushrooms when I am by my self, I will almost always eat LSD when I am with a friend or two. One of the most fascinating things I've experienced from LSD is telepathy, which was pretty intense considering how "socially detached" I am. Sitting in silence with friends, yet still sharing thoughts with each other with out any spoken words.
Mescaline....by far the most gentle and easy going psychedelic around. Even during some of the bigger doses I've taken, the experience remained very passive and gentle. No anxiety present what so ever. Melts down the ego softly, melts down anxiety, breaks down the walls enough so that one becomes more open, it is very similar in that aspect to MDMA. Allows you to navigate the experience, it is not as "pushy" as mushrooms, or as immersive as LSD. The experience is very dreamy....Comes on slow and lasts a solid 8 to 12 hours. Besides the bitter foul taste, I think mescaline is the best first psychedelic for someone who has no experience with such things.
DMT....absolutely ineffable. If anyone wants, I can try to put some words together to explain the experience, but words are horrible for conveying such an experience.
MDMA......If there was one experience I wish everyone (aspie or not) could have just once in life, it would be MDMA. Ideally, once a year. That is, going into the experience with some intention of opening up and talking about some things, rather than eating some just to get high. I notice I still stim while on MDMA, just because it feel that much better to do so. Making eye contact is much easier but still something I tend to avoid whilst under the influence of MDMA. But I'm completely at ease, the epitome of feeling content. I actually feel somewhat of a connection to others, there isn't so much of that aspie "bubble" that seems to cut me off from others. Understanding and general interaction with others feels much more natural.
How have they helped or benefited me? They have allowed me to view my self, society, and the world/universe with out any filters in the way, filters such as ego, filters such as culture, and of course even sensory filters are all stripped away. They've made me more tolerant and accepting of others. More tolerant in general, I try not to let things get to me and bug me as much as they used to. I appreciate life itself more than ever....This experience of being alive, and existence itself, is such a novel thing. I have become more hyped & excited from (positive) sensory input than I used to, touch, smells, taste, art, etc brings me more joy than ever. Patterns and subtleties (in everything) stand out more than ever, and they were already very pronounced before.
When used responsibly, in safe settings, in the right state of mind, with some intention or a guide of sorts, there is a HUGE beneficial potential with these plants, fungi, cacti, & chemicals. Something a lot of people have known for a long time now. But the stigma surrounding them, along with a lot of ignorance surrounding them, still remains today.
I wish I could elaborate more, but I'm feeling rather scatter-brained at the moment (just woke from a nap) and it is kind of a hard subject to convey in words...
I'm an experienced psychonaut. I've tried LSD, Mescaline, DMT, Salvia and a whole bunch of other psychedelics. I see psychedelics as an extention of my Autistic self and consider a single average dosage LSD experience a perfect way to find inner piece during periods of great anxiety and/or stress. They also gave me insights into myself and the world around me that would have otherwise taken decades to obtain while sober.
In her book Autism and the Edges of the Known World, Olga Bogdashina also explained how she saw similarity between Aldous Huxley's experiences with mescaline and the heightened sensory perceptions of people with autism.
And then there's this :
For people with ASD, Metholone is even better in that area.
MDMD doesn't improve my social skills but only makes me more "cuddly" and "loving", whereas Methylone pretty much eliminates all of my Autistic traits.
MDMA: SWIM has taken this many times, makes them feel connected to everyone, which is lovely at the time because usually feel so disconnected from most people. Get out of there before the comedown though, that can be awkward with people you don't know!
Ketamine: SWIM's favourite, though has bladder issues so can exacerbate them. So trippy, not always visually as such, really makes one realise that perception is everything. Seems really different each time and depending on the context. SWIM's favourite trip was when everything turned into a cartoon, a crystal clear version of everything but in cartoon form. Usually is hyper familiar when it comes to faces (feeling like they recognise everyone) but on ketamine to SWIM it's like the template of a face becomes meaningless, like it's a bunch of random shapes like anything else. Imagine the world is like that when you're a baby, with no frame of reference, or an alien landing on the planet for the first time.
Mushrooms: Not a massive fan, the first time SWIM had them purged so hard they dislodged a kidney stone and ended up in agony and sent to hospital while tripping. Not cool.
LSD: Love this but you have to be aware of your surroundings and try to steer your trip on the right direction or it could go bad. Seems to last forever. When the visuals are wearing off, SWIM gets aural hallucinations and deja vu really bad. Everything that's happening around SWIM, feels like they know what is going to happen a second before. Once heard Radio 1 playing a load of audio clips that SWIM and a friend had made, crystal clear, it turned out the radio wasn't even on.
SWIM REALLY wants to try DMT. Anyone had that?
SWIM means "someone who isn't me" take that literally if you will
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Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 134 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 79 of 200
You are very likely neurodiverse (Aspie)
Diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome 15/06/2016
Ketamine: SWIM's favourite, though has bladder issues so can exacerbate them. [...]
Mushrooms: Not a massive fan, [...]
LSD: Love this but you have to be aware of your surroundings and try to steer your trip on the right direction or it could go bad. [...]
Did "SWIM" ever try combining LSD, Ketamine and MDMA? If not, he/she might want to consider that...
Smoking DMT is just plain nasty. Sure, the effect is very nice, but the hot smoke in the nose is just horrible.
I'd say "SWIM" should try 4-MeO-DMT instead, which is similar to DMT but can be snorted!
Did some acid in my 20's. It was fun, but not really min expanding like I thought it would be. I ahllucinated, saw colors, trails and all that stuff. REALLY loved listing to the albums "I Robot", "Tales of Mystery and Imagination" and "Welcome to My Nightmare".
Mostly an explosion of images. Thought I was melding with a railing while I waited for the guys to finish eating before going out to the cliffs in San Diego. Walls breathing, face melting in the mirror, my hand 'splashed into the paper' while drawing one time.....
I did notice my reflexes and accuracy got really, really sped up. I was in the navy and a bunch of us went on a 'party run' and went out to the cliffs down below Sunset Cliffs where the road ended in a parking area. Normally I am clumsy and slow reflexes.
We were feeling good and started playing 'slaps'. That game where you hold your hands in front and the other person tries to slap them. If they miss, you get to try to slap them. If they connect, they get to try again.
I was so fast that night that I was getting people with double and triple slaps. They'd try to split the hands and I could hit each one with each of my hands.
I have never been able to do that before or since. I just usually got my hands beat to hell and back.
Part of that macho thing we did back then to prove we were tough.
Dorks...all of us...LOL
But, no crazy mind expanding moments.
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Diagnosed April 14, 2016
ASD Level 1 without intellectual impairments.
RAADS-R -- 213.3
FQ -- 18.7
EQ -- 13
Aspie Quiz -- 186 out of 200
AQ: 42
AQ-10: 8.8
I've tried a few, but mushrooms made me feel more NT in a sense that I could see how empathy existed and such. I still thought logically, but I felt a sense of another way of thinking.
For a while when SWIM(someone who isn't me) was on shrooms they thought that they were NT because all of a sudden they could see other people's perspectives in a strange meta/psychic sense. It was very peculiar for SWIM.
MDMA is awesome. Everyone with AS who's taken it has said that it was the best thing they'd ever tried. Such interesting emotions one feels....
LSD is probably a lot better for AS than shrooms, shrooms are a lot more intense and potentially scary. LSD is probably equally scary, but in small doses it's a lot less intense and a lot more person oriented. At least that's my opinion.
I did read a study where they gave a bunch of teens with AS, Acid every day for multiple weeks, and apparently it was relatively successful. The power of psychedelics as therapy is well known, but also well hidden from the general public thanks to DARE propaganda and the 60's/70's. The gov't needs to take another look at hallucinogens and ethneogenics as medicine and unschedule them. Except PCP, that should remain illegal, there's nothing good about dissassociatives that powerful.
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I did this over forty years ago, and it opened the window, and that window never closed again.
Prior to LSD, peyote and shrooms, I was only comfortable relating to machinery, not people, and on the occasions when I did interact with people, it was because I thought they shared my intimacy with electronics, and nothing else.
I could only speak about my fetish, or recite television commercials verbatim.
Psychedelics connected me in ways that I could not even imagine, and once those connections were made they stayed, even after the comedown. I also attribute much of this to the rich experiences afforded me by my psychonaut friends who guided me along my first trips.
Once I made the human connection, I wanted to taste it all and I never wanted to return to my safe, comfortable cell again. I eventually "caught my limit" on trippy substances and concluded that I had taken as much as I needed to and have never had any since, although I might be tempted to take one last journey with my wife, the girl of my dreams, who although 100% NT, believes herself to be too closed off and in need of a spiritual awakening.
I never thought that the larger autistic and aspie community would dare to try taking such a bold step, and I applaud those who were brave enough to dip a toe in the water. It is not for everyone, but for those who feel comfortable, drink deeply, be with a safe and trusted guide and drink deeply.
You will learn much and feel more, you will understand love and you will find satisfaction.
And you will return from your journey with an education that stays with you.
Much love, and much respect.
Research studies have proven psilocybin is effective for treating chronic depression. It apparently repairs damaged neural pathways and keeps them functioning normally for up to 2 years after ingestion.
This is perfectly in keeping with my own experiences.
It's also true that repeated ingestion of psilocybin over the short term, diminishes it's psychoactive effects, so 'shrooms are best taken only on infrequent special occasions.
My experiences opened my perception to what appeared to be interdimensional entities, whether one chooses to call them angels, fairies, aliens, elementals, etc. These were not primarily visual hallucinations, but intuitive perceptions - I "saw" them with the "third eye."
I believe Dr Rick Strassman's patients described similar encounters during the study he recounts in his book 'DMT: The Spirit Molecule.' I haven't personally experienced the effects of DMT, but I very much would like to. It sounds like a fascinating and revelatory experience.
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