Sometimes I think it's the NTs that have a problem, not us.

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Callista
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15 Sep 2006, 6:09 am

Who ever said being an NT was easy? Every time I look at them, they're gossiping about each other and clawing their way past other people to get up the social ladder, and they're stabbing each other in the back for no particular reason other than the other person is a social impediment... Half the time, their own social plots get so convoluted that they don't know who their real friends are; and they end up marrying people they don't even like just because of their hormones! Not to mention they're so society-driven that they'll get caught up in crime and drugs and who knows what else just to "look good". And if they escape all those problems, they're called an extraordinary person... just like they'll call a person on the spectrum "extraordinary" for having a job, a degree, and a spouse.

Okay, growing up Aspie is hard. We all know that. But being an NT isn't all that great, either.


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15 Sep 2006, 6:30 am

Enigmatic_Oddity wrote:
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I would have to say that most NTs are ret*d, violent, social maladepts or want to be ret*d violent social maladepts.


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What's really pathetic from my point of view is that we have to defend ourselves for not beign superficial, boring, etc.


You know who was an interesting person? William Freund. Peaceful sort of chap he was, too.
Or, y'know, Gandhi. Or Ben Franklin. Or any number of other famous people with no ASD-spectrum traits whatsoever.

Seriously, what the hell? Just because someone isn't AS, they're automatically ret*d/violent/whatever crap you spew out? Callista is completely right here. NT does NOT equate to trogodolyte. Get off your high horse and quit pigeonholing people the way I bet you complain about other people doing to you. Amazingly enough, not all people who are not like you are inferior.


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15 Sep 2006, 6:35 am

The big difference is that we as aspies can see throught the N.T. haze and watch their fruitless efforts from the outside. Most N.T's don't know how how useless their efforts to climb the social ladder really is



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15 Sep 2006, 6:59 am

SolaCatella wrote:
Or, y'know, Gandhi. Or Ben Franklin. Or any number of other famous people with no ASD-spectrum traits whatsoever.

Seriously, what the hell? Just because someone isn't AS, they're automatically ret*d/violent/whatever crap you spew out? Callista is completely right here. NT does NOT equate to trogodolyte. Get off your high horse and quit pigeonholing people the way I bet you complain about other people doing to you. Amazingly enough, not all people who are not like you are inferior.


Are you directing your comments at me? If you are, I think you've misunderstood the intent of my post. I was trying to point out how dumb it was to suggest NTs had some sort of monopoly on antisocial behaviour.



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15 Sep 2006, 8:43 am

Actually alot of this "reverse prejudice" comes from, NTs assuming Aspies are all ret*d for years and being allowed to continue doing so. I think we do have a right to resent NTs. There are alot of times, I will see a NT behave in a way that makes me say, "And they call people like me, ret*d!"

It does seem that as long as you have a social life, you are free to be as stupid and ignorant as you want. We have no desire to be stupid nor ignorant, as well as no desire to hurt others in order to climb up the social ladder. Society doesn't respect this, so we feel what is so respectful about acting like you've never graduated high school and that life is all about gossip like some teeny-boppers? The fact is, we do think on a higher level. That's just the way it is. You can understand how being considered, lesser than the majority is frusterating. Especially when the majority tends to be nothing to write home about.

It's hard to try and see things from a NT's perspective, when NTs have caused you strife throughout most of your life. Like the NTs that bullied us, or made fun of us in school. Nobody made them feel they had to dehumanize themselves by being mean. They chose that path, it's hard to empathize with someone like that.

There are NTs who aren't like that, but really not many people are NT. Most nice people have delt with some form of adversity in one way or another. Those who have been normal to a fault, never had to develop strength in themselves, so all they know is how to tear others down to bring themselves up.


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15 Sep 2006, 10:21 am

It really seems to depend on region and attitude of the people in general.
I used to leave in Cannon Beach, Oregon. Tourist town.
Basically, NOBODY moves there. For about four years I faced general abuse simply because I was an 'outsider' who didnt make friends easily. I had one friend, in fact, and he moved away the first year of Middle School, so I spent the rest of my time on the fringe of the only group that didnt activly hate me because I needed somebody to talk to.
At least once Middle School was over the random assaults in the hallway stopped, I never got into the hanging around and listening to other peoples conversations though, they just seemed so boring to me, I went and played Magic in the Library, pretty much. Or read the impressive stock of philosophy books which had never been touched prior to my arrival :P
We moved to Tucson halfway through Highschool and things got better, I can honestly say I have some friends here and people are far more accepting, they dont shout 'KILL THE OUTSIDER!' when I walk out of a building, and most people are nice enough to me, because they know that I know most of the test answers in every subject except math.
For the most part, I like people, I just cant talk to them.
Other peoples experience with 'normal' people is, IMO, a case of the squeaky wheel. You just dont notice the non-idiots.



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15 Sep 2006, 10:40 am

Davethe NT cave gently joins the conversation 8)

Dare I suggest that there is a spectrum for NTs as well?

Some (including me) are at the very fine specimen end, others are at the dull, not vey bright end. Most are in the middle somewhere.

If we assume all NTs are at the one end of the spectrum, we should not criticize them for making similar assumptions about ASDs.

Unless all Aspies are just like the character from Rainman.



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15 Sep 2006, 10:45 am

I think there have been some cases of aspies turning out really bad all depending on how they react to their situation. I suspect some sociopaths are extreme cases that reacted to their feelings of isolation in very unhealthy ways. I'm a little worried that the discussion here is taking some people down an unhealthy line of thought. What's particularly disturbing to me is how some aspies seem to be dehumanizing NTs in their minds and I think that could actually be dangerous.



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15 Sep 2006, 10:46 am

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I can't believe it's considered "typical" to be immature, ignorant, and superficial, and to have really bland "hobbies".


Immaturity and ignorance are not the sole property of Nts as you have clearly pointed out.



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15 Sep 2006, 10:54 am

Callista wrote:
Okay, growing up Aspie is hard. We all know that. But being an NT isn't all that great, either.


*nods* Sometimes I think that being the kind of person I am involves a lot of problems that NTs don't have, but at the same time, I think I *escape* a lot of problems that they do have. Mainly, that friendships - or what seems to pass for friendship among a lot of NTs (it's not how I personally think of true friendship as being) - seem incredibly high maintenance. The careful grooming of your image; making sure you wear the right things, say the right things, like (or pretend to like) the right things, so people don't immediately reject you. The constant fear of being exposed as not being as cool as everyone else, or being found out for liking something that's not 'acceptable'.



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15 Sep 2006, 11:28 am

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Actually alot of this "reverse prejudice" comes from, NTs assuming Aspies are all ret*d for years and being allowed to continue doing so. I think we do have a right to resent NTs. There are alot of times, I will see a NT behave in a way that makes me say, "And they call people like me, ret*d!"

It does seem that as long as you have a social life, you are free to be as stupid and ignorant as you want. We have no desire to be stupid nor ignorant, as well as no desire to hurt others in order to climb up the social ladder. Society doesn't respect this, so we feel what is so respectful about acting like you've never graduated high school and that life is all about gossip like some teeny-boppers? The fact is, we do think on a higher level. That's just the way it is. You can understand how being considered, lesser than the majority is frusterating. Especially when the majority tends to be nothing to write home about.

Exactly. Basically, first it was neurologist. Whether it's now just the other side of the same coin, I'll leave others to decide.

I'm not going to say what it compares to because we all know what that equals as far as most people are concerned.

It's hard to try and see things from a NT's perspective, when NTs have caused you strife throughout most of your life. Like the NTs that bullied us, or made fun of us in school. Nobody made them feel they had to dehumanize themselves by being mean. They chose that path, it's hard to empathize with someone like that.

There are NTs who aren't like that, but really not many people are NT. Most nice people have delt with some form of adversity in one way or another. Those who have been normal to a fault, never had to develop strength in themselves, so all they know is how to tear others down to bring themselves up.



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15 Sep 2006, 11:31 am

Okay, that chopped off my response.

It was 'Exactly. Basically, it started off as being neurologist. Whether, it's still the same but now is just the other side of the same coin, I'll leave for others to decide.

I'm not going to say what it comapres to because we all know what that equals in most people's minds.



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15 Sep 2006, 2:12 pm

Dalebert wrote:
I think there have been some cases of aspies turning out really bad all depending on how they react to their situation. I suspect some sociopaths are extreme cases that reacted to their feelings of isolation in very unhealthy ways. I'm a little worried that the discussion here is taking some people down an unhealthy line of thought. What's particularly disturbing to me is how some aspies seem to be dehumanizing NTs in their minds and I think that could actually be dangerous.


In elementary school, a girl in my class was killed in a very tragic accident, caused by her brother. My nice class "mates" openly said there was some mistake that it wasn't me. Why should I not hate and despise creatures like that?


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15 Sep 2006, 3:00 pm

Litigious wrote:
Dalebert wrote:
I think there have been some cases of aspies turning out really bad all depending on how they react to their situation. I suspect some sociopaths are extreme cases that reacted to their feelings of isolation in very unhealthy ways. I'm a little worried that the discussion here is taking some people down an unhealthy line of thought. What's particularly disturbing to me is how some aspies seem to be dehumanizing NTs in their minds and I think that could actually be dangerous.


In elementary school, a girl in my class was killed in a very tragic accident, caused by her brother. My nice class "mates" openly said there was some mistake that it wasn't me. Why should I not hate and despise creatures like that?


8O That is awful!! I don't blame you at all for hating, that having happened to you. :(


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15 Sep 2006, 3:11 pm

Yeah I can relate.. I was always considered the most useful but paradoxically most expendable member of the class in school.


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15 Sep 2006, 4:25 pm

Litigious wrote:
In elementary school, a girl in my class was killed in a very tragic accident, caused by her brother. My nice class "mates" openly said there was some mistake that it wasn't me. Why should I not hate and despise creatures like that?


Because that was a horrible thing they did and you should want to be better than them, and that means not emulating them by becoming hateful yourself.