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07 Oct 2011, 10:47 pm

What are these 'losers' of yours losing exactly?



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07 Oct 2011, 10:51 pm

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Now, the question is, what kind of think-they-have-autism-but-really-don't losers populate Wrong Planet? I need to figure out which one I might be. :D


I suggest the swbluto variety. A tendency to focus intensely on increasingly subtle or bizarre minutiae in attempts to create a certain knowledge that one either is or is not autistic.


Hehe, I think I was joking most of the time. But now that you bring it up, I have noticed one more piece of evidence for my upcoming AS/NT trial. I noticed that whenever I post about a given topic, I seem to attract a larger percentage of "undiagnosed" and "not sure if I have or not" respondents than the average thread started by an aspie. Does this mean I don't have autism? :wink: :P



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07 Oct 2011, 10:57 pm

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Silly Verdandi, Maje is clearly joking, so really she's not.


Two of the three separate responses in my post are jokes. One is serious.


Oh, yes, that's right, indicating sarcasm is obviously a strong suit of yours. How could I so easily miss your sublimity? I guess I'm just not NT enough to detect your sarcasm.



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07 Oct 2011, 10:57 pm

This... hurts my brain.



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07 Oct 2011, 11:00 pm

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Silly Verdandi, Maje is clearly joking, so really she's not.


Two of the three separate responses in my post are jokes. One is serious.


Oh, yes, that's right, indicating sarcasm is obviously a strong suit of yours. How could I so easily miss your sublimity? I guess I'm just not NT enough to detect your sarcasm.


I didn't mean either as sarcastic, just as jokes. But yes, I actually have this same problem verbally. Most everything I say is deadpan so it takes people time around me to figure out when I'm being serious versus sarcastic. My stepfather always thinks I'm being serious, even when I mock the abomination against food and nutrition that is Kraft cheese slices.

On one forum, I remember participating in banter with other people, and at one point I made an outright joke, and got flamed for taking things too seriously. When I pointed out it was a joke, I was told I am always serious. I am kind of used to it. What I mean is - I just assumed you missed my attempt at humor and tried to clarify. I'm used to people missing my jokes so I don't take it personally or assume it means there's something wrong with (in this case) you.



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07 Oct 2011, 11:01 pm

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This... hurts my brain.

I agree.



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07 Oct 2011, 11:01 pm

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Why would someone think they have autism to be begin with when they were never diagnosed with it nor was it ever suggested? Because they have the social life and social difficulties of a loser. So, if it turns out that this person eventually concludes they don't have autism, the indisputable implication is that they're a good old fashioned loser.


Wow, I don't really know what to say. Although I am unsure about whether or not I'm on the spectrum, I'd like to think that I'm not a loser.

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What if you think you might be autistic because of shutdowns, sensory issues, meltdowns, stims, intense focused interests, perseveration, and a sense of not being very emotionally demonstrative...

That's right on the money for me actually.

Just my personal opinion here, but I think one of the many issues at hand arises from people's arbitrary tendency to use separate categories as opposed to gradients to classify things of every nature, including people. It is easier for many people's minds to wrap around ideas placed in neat little categories, but it is perhaps more important to study the "classified" in order to find a learning style that is more accurate and indicative than simple concentric circles.

In more direct terms:
Maybe I am a loser, but maybe I'm a winner. Maybe I am AS, maybe I'm NT. I don't know and I'm not sure if I can know. I am here because I want to learn more. What is so loserly about that?



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07 Oct 2011, 11:02 pm

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What are these 'losers' of yours losing exactly?


SERIOUSLY GUYS!! !

Somebody answer this question :lol:



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07 Oct 2011, 11:02 pm

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What are these 'losers' of yours losing exactly?


Well, number one, they aren't my losers.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist the literal joke. I guess that's one aspie trait of mine, lol. Wait, I take that back! I never made that joke! That's one more piece of evidence for the "AS" case, darn it.)

But, if you want to know, they're losing... the game...(Did you just lose... the game? :wink:)


The game of life. Sad, but true. ^_^



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07 Oct 2011, 11:03 pm

I'll find out soon enough I guess



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07 Oct 2011, 11:04 pm

My friend with DXed Aspergers never posts on AS messageboards at all. As a kid in like elementary school, he did really bad, had no empathy, he eventually adapted and overcame. Things aren't perfect for him, neither are they for anyone, but he adapted and overcame. I think it's more that the "Aspergers success stories" never really think of having Aspergers, don't think of dividing the world up into NTs and Aspies, and they at most jot down a little mental note about their random neurological condition they're too busy to care about and move on with life and go invent stuff or some other cool thing like that.



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07 Oct 2011, 11:10 pm

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My friend with DXed Aspergers never posts on AS messageboards at all. As a kid in like elementary school, he did really bad, had no empathy, he eventually adapted and overcame. Things aren't perfect for him, neither are they for anyone, but he adapted and overcame. I think it's more that the "Aspergers success stories" never really think of having Aspergers, don't think of dividing the world up into NTs and Aspies, and they at most jot down a little mental note about their random neurological condition they're too busy to care about and move on with life and go invent stuff or some other cool thing like that.


This is exactly how I feel. I was very wary of joining a board but thought that it may do me some good. I am not sure, however, whether my day of participation has proven useful. I need more data points.

Being diagnosed AS does help my psych team and I approach my bipolar/anxiety issues differently but, beyond that, my new diagnosis hasn't changed me. I'm still the same twitchy, sensitive, observant, special person I was before.



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07 Oct 2011, 11:11 pm

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But, if you want to know, they're losing... the game...(Did you just lose... the game? :wink:)


I probably did, because you made me think of it.

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The game of life. Sad, but true.


What is the game of life, though? I am enjoying my life right now - I am not homeless, I have an income, I have time for my hobbies. I am finally able to devote time to writing my fiction. I have published work in my name. Some of my writing is actually taught in a few universities. I have actual fans who love my work. I have friends and family who are very supportive. Sure, I am not wealthy and am living on disability - but what exactly should I be winning at this point?



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07 Oct 2011, 11:14 pm

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This is all very hostile and challenging??

Screw your DX imperative and anti HFA sentiments

Troll much?


I think it might be meant half tongue-in-cheek and half-trolling. SWB seems to like treading that line (a lot). It's sort of like deliberately juggling flaming chainsaws while suspended over the audience. Maybe it'll be horribly wrong and offensive, or maybe it's just entertainment? (Ok, it probably is a sly attempt at a troll.)



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07 Oct 2011, 11:14 pm

Verdandi wrote:
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But, if you want to know, they're losing... the game...(Did you just lose... the game? :wink:)


I probably did, because you made me think of it.

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The game of life. Sad, but true.


What is the game of life, though? I am enjoying my life right now - I am not homeless, I have an income, I have time for my hobbies. I am finally able to devote time to writing my fiction. I have published work in my name. Some of my writing is actually taught in a few universities. I have actual fans who love my work. I have friends and family who are very supportive. Sure, I am not wealthy and am living on disability - but what exactly should I be winning at this point?


Who said you were losing?



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07 Oct 2011, 11:15 pm

swbluto wrote:
Who said you were losing?


I think I misunderstood what you wrote.

I didn't take what you said as saying I personally was losing, but I was trying to understand what you meant by "losing the game of life." I used my own life as an example. I also was not (and am not) sure if you were making a distinction between "autistic" and "loser" beyond applying the labels themselves.



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