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11 Oct 2011, 6:38 am

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You know what happens when you don't socialize for a long time? You get depressed and you don't feel like doing anything and when you do stuff, you aren't that productive (Depressed people are less productive). If you do decide to shoot the wind, you end up wasting a lot of time on talking about stupid crap. So, there is only so much that you can accomplish in a day.

If you have AS? Man, you can sit back and relax and focus on whatever you want with ease without being bothered to socialize. Robots have the advantage of basically being able to focus all their time on some pursuit and being as productive as possible and things like depression don't affect robots, so the more robotic brothers of the human species have the productivity advantage. It's just about the only way Bill Gates had become as successful as he was in the early days.

So, if you want to accomplish a lot, being an NT sucks.


No, you've got it all wrong, my friend. It sucks for some extrovert Aspies like myself. I like social interaction. I've found I've become a bit obsessed with other people and what they do with their lives, and how they communicate and deal with problems. But the problem is, if somebody asked me to come to a hectic nightclub late on a Friday or Saturday night, part of me wants to go but another part of me doesn't. The reasons why I don't want to go is I don't like drinking, I can't dance, I'm shy/socially phobic, I'm not very wild about dressing up and putting make-up on, and I just know I will stand out in that type of environment, and I just know I will end up sitting bored stiff in the corner, waiting for somebody to take me home. But part of me wants to go and meet new people and have a muck-around on the dance floor. It sounds quite fun. And I like music too. But it's like a catch-22 really. And then when I say to people, ''aww I feel lonely'', they just say, ''don't moan to us - they asked you and you didn't want to go!''

That's where it catches me out.


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11 Oct 2011, 8:55 am

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You do realise this thread is going to get a lot of backlash? If you didn't see it coming then you may be less NT than you think.

Anywho,

I've had severe depression, anxiety, been suicidal etc.

There is a part of my autism that saves me from this (or some other part of me that does it).
When I'm depressed I know that reading or watching a comedy will make me feel better. It's usually just hormonal depression but that's when it is at its most severe.

Anxiety takes a bit of work. Usually it takes a complete deactivation of emotions. Oh, I guess I am a robot - awkward!
Note: South Park reference.

I'm a driven to succeed type of person and sometimes I will leave my emotions by the door to get through a situation. Perhaps not the best solution but emotions really do interfere with my plans. So in a way my autism does help by making my symptoms so severe that I really can't be in the same room with people and when I am I don't relate to them on an emotional level. I don't like it that it's that way but anxiety/depression is worse.

I tend to think of myself as more of a Time Lord. Tougher physiology than humans, two hearts and a few extra organs, telepathic, can live many 1000's of years but can regenerate and each time appears to be getting younger and younger. Oh, and have knowledge of all of time. That's helpful too. I do love my history.
The Doctor doesn't always show empathy or relate to people on a level they would expect. I love how the 11th Doctor is clueless when it comes to some social customs.


^^woohoo! Love the Doctor Who references!

And yeah, I took the bait...ugh.

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11 Oct 2011, 8:57 am

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I have a strong desire to socialise but can't relate. Does that make me half-aspie and half-NT? Argh, it's like I'm stuck in limbo


No, a lot of aspies (me included) want to socialize but have difficulty.

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11 Oct 2011, 9:03 am

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Being an aspie sucks. You want to socialize but you keep getting rejected and people always have excuses for why they can't go out or come over. You try and join in conversations and people tell you to shut up or tell you to mind your own business or accuse you of being rude and interrupting. Plus they sometimes ignore you like they don't hear you. Plus you find their conversations boring and you aren't enjoying it and you have nothing to say and by the time you do, the topic had moved on.

This is why I love to be alone and don't need friends because it's a whole lot easier than dealing with all this. I gave up on friends in my teens. But the downside to that is it makes your life harder. I can sit here and be depressed about it but I'd rather be happy and just accept it.


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I thought that only applied to me. I've always imagined when people ignore something I said, it's because they didn't hear me, not because they don't want to. But who am I kidding? I often get no response when I say something, which makes me feel like an idiot. I've just sort of gone along with it and eventually done the same to other people; when they make comments I don't really care for or say something that requires no answer, I just do not say anything. In the past I have always felt like I had to respond to every. single. thing. someone said. Not anymore!



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11 Oct 2011, 10:29 am

I just sometimes feel that I don't know anything, and so can't offer any advice or suggestions to other people's thoughts or problems. It's not that I don't empathise or sympathise or whatever the word is. I can imagine how they feel or whatever, or I try to, but when somebody's harping on about their problems, I just find myself saying ''yes'' and ''no'' all the time, and nothing else.
My friend has got a lot of s**t from the council because of something to do with her house and the amount of money she was getting and so on, and I feel cross with the council too for sending her all of these letters, and I put on an impression that I'm upset for her, which is easy enough, but because I don't know how the council and all that type of thing works, so I can't offer any suggestions of what she should do. I just keep saying, ''oh that's not very nice'', and, ''what are they playing at?'' and, ''they've got no right'' and stuff like that. I can't really say too much in case I say the wrong thing and feel stupid. But when she told another friend, the friend was like, ''well why don't you do so-and-so? They should sort it out and send you a letter saying so-and-so, and you should be getting XXXX money anyway, and the best number to phone is this because that company is pretty good''.....and so on. Other people just seem to know what to suggest and how to help, whereas I'd just come out with something what I've probably already been told and then it makes me look so vaige and stupid.

That really sucks.


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11 Oct 2011, 10:58 am

Deep down I'm lonely and want to fit in, but over the years I've learned to ignore it and am comfortable being alone.



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11 Oct 2011, 2:56 pm

An NT should write a book about NTs for autistic people, like Temple Grandin writes books about autistics for NT people.



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11 Oct 2011, 2:59 pm

The more I think about this the more I realize I have the best of both worlds.


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11 Oct 2011, 3:05 pm

Can an Aspie develop dissociation from not socializing enough?



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11 Oct 2011, 3:09 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
An NT should write a book about NTs for autistic people, like Temple Grandin writes books about autistics for NT people.


The explanatory book you are looking for is A Field Guide To Earthlings by Ian Ford. He is actually autistic himself but figured out many NT things quite accurately (to my NT mind, at least). Posters here were giving it good reviews so I decided to read it, rather like a tribesman who decides to see if the anthropologist messed up some things. It will probably explain many things that currently seem perplexing.



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11 Oct 2011, 3:10 pm

Robots, eh?

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Enough said. Stereotypes suck.

As for the rest. Depression and anxiety disorders are common co- morbids, and we typically can't focus on anything that doesn't interest us, NT's can.



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11 Oct 2011, 3:26 pm

swbluto wrote:
You know what happens when you don't socialize for a long time? You get depressed and you don't feel like doing anything and when you do stuff, you aren't that productive (Depressed people are less productive). If you do decide to shoot the wind, you end up wasting a lot of time on talking about stupid crap. So, there is only so much that you can accomplish in a day.

If you have AS? Man, you can sit back and relax and focus on whatever you want with ease without being bothered to socialize. Robots have the advantage of basically being able to focus all their time on some pursuit and being as productive as possible and things like depression don't affect robots, so the more robotic brothers of the human species have the productivity advantage. It's just about the only way Bill Gates had become as successful as he was in the early days.

So, if you want to accomplish a lot, being an NT sucks.


Are you saying autistics don't get depressed? That's a load of bull s**t. Just check out the Haven in this forum. You'll find a lot of depressed and suicidal people on the spectrum. Plus a lot of us on the spectrum do get lonely and want to interact with others. If we didn't want to socialize this forum would not exist. :B



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11 Oct 2011, 3:48 pm

I read somewhere that depression and anxiety was common in Autistics. One site tells me one thing and another site tells me another thing.


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11 Oct 2011, 3:52 pm

I think that anxiety and depression are common in autistics, because there is a major mismatch between the desire to socialize and fit in and the ability to the same. In NTs, the mismatch ranges from nearly non-existent to not as major as it is in autistics. In some autistics, the mismatch is also nearly non-existent, because some autistics have very little of the desire along with very little of the ability.



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11 Oct 2011, 9:07 pm

If you think being a NT sucks, well, being an Aspie sucks too! What sucks is wanting to have friends at a young age, but not knowing how to act appropriately, not knowing how to respond to others in social situations. Which leads to a downward spiral into depression as you fail time and time again to make friends. Soon you're a teen, and while everyone else is getting romantically involved for the first time in their lives, you spend your days questioning whether life is worth living anymore. Eventually, you learn to accept that you have autism, accept the fact that socializing comes naturally to many people but you're not one of those people. Maybe you're one of the lucky Aspies who can navigate the dating scene well enough to find a suitable partner. Maybe you're 35, still live with your parents, and spend your days watching anime tentacle porn. My point is that being an Aspie isn't as simple as having an interest and pursuing it robotically, with disregard for others. We feel every emotion NT's do; we're not robots.



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11 Oct 2011, 9:18 pm

SyphonFilter wrote:
If you think being a NT sucks, well, being an Aspie sucks too! What sucks is wanting to have friends at a young age, but not knowing how to act appropriately, not knowing how to respond to others in social situations.


That was not my experience as a child.

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Which leads to a downward spiral into depression as you fail time and time again to make friends. Soon you're a teen, and while everyone else is getting romantically involved for the first time in their lives, you spend your days questioning whether life is worth living anymore.


This is nothing like my experience now.

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Eventually, you learn to accept that you have autism, accept the fact that socializing comes naturally to many people but you're not one of those people.


Well, I have accepted that.

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Maybe you're one of the lucky Aspies who can navigate the dating scene well enough to find a suitable partner.


Nope.

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Maybe you're 35, still live with your parents, and spend your days watching anime tentacle porn.


When I'm 35 years old making at least $60,000 a year (that's with an entry-level engineering job, mind you), I don't think I'll have any problems finding a woman to live with me. My problem is finding a women who I'd want to live with.

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My point is that being an Aspie isn't as simple as having an interest and pursuing it robotically, with disregard for others. We feel every emotion NT's do; we're not robots.


Aspie or not, that's what I do.


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