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13 Oct 2011, 9:10 am

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i might be wrong but i think this seems because western culture is more acceptable to Aspies? and by that we might be more often diagnosed with it..


This does not make sense - aspies will be more diagnosed in cultures where their traits are not accepted; in societies where "aspieness" is accepted, aspies will simply be considered "eccentrics" and nobody will take them to a doctor for a diagnosis.



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13 Oct 2011, 9:19 am

TPE2 wrote:
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i might be wrong but i think this seems because western culture is more acceptable to Aspies? and by that we might be more often diagnosed with it..


This does not make sense - aspies will be more diagnosed in cultures where their traits are not accepted; in societies where "aspieness" is accepted, aspies will simply be considered "eccentrics" and nobody will take them to a doctor for a diagnosis.

You're right, that makes sense but in the places where aspies are just eccentric aspergers just doesn't exist right..? so they aren't acceptable to aspies but to eccentrics.


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13 Oct 2011, 9:37 am

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No, I've met an Autistic girl who was black.


Doesn't prove anything, all the african american have caucasians genes, none is "pure african"



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13 Oct 2011, 9:42 am

I read somewhere that the rate auf autism amoung the caucasian population is twice highter than what it is in the asian population and 6 times higher than in other population groups, and close to 0 in the african population.

When you think about it, it makes perfect sence. How else could we explain that europeans with the lower IQ than asians had so many geniuses minds?



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13 Oct 2011, 10:19 am

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I think the majority of people in our society who have autism are white because white people are simply the majority. I could be wrong, but I don't believe it is more prevelant in one race than another. The first autistic person I met who I knew was autistic is Arab.


Well, Arabs are caucasians...


We just say they are because we don't know where else to put them. They are asian as well because arabs countries are located in the asians continent, but they still have nothing to do culturally with eastern asian. I knew lot's of arabs in my life and I can assure you that they differ a lot from caucasians and I can assure you that very few of them have AS like traits



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13 Oct 2011, 10:22 am

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When you think about it, it makes perfect sence. How else could we explain that europeans with the lower IQ than asians had so many geniuses minds?


First, what you mean by "asians"?

And, if you mean China/Japan/Korea, there is any evidence that europeans have lower IQ than "asians"? Specially because I doubt of any scientific research made in PRC (where almost all the "asians" live, if we define "asian" as China+Japan+Korea).



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13 Oct 2011, 10:24 am

I'm white. (Western European.)
I have Asperger's.



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13 Oct 2011, 10:24 am

I know of several people who are either black or Asian who have an ASD, though; the latter being more common in my experience. But I know more white people, and I agree with the person who said it's probably because white people are in the majority in this society... and also because we (I'm talking about the US) have some of the best diagnostic tools and such for diagnosing in the first place. You won't see many people diagnosed with autism in Africa because the health systems there are more worried about disease than mental health, for example.



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13 Oct 2011, 10:43 am

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I think the majority of people in our society who have autism are white because white people are simply the majority. I could be wrong, but I don't believe it is more prevelant in one race than another. The first autistic person I met who I knew was autistic is Arab.


Well, Arabs are caucasians...


We just say they are because we don't know where else to put them. They are asian as well because arabs countries are located in the asians continent, but they still have nothing to do culturally with eastern asian. I knew lot's of arabs in my life and I can assure you that they differ a lot from caucasians and I can assure you that very few of them have AS like traits


First, "asian continent" is largely an imaginary entity (btw, we can also say that arabs are africans...) - there is not any geographical reason to consider Armenia "Europe" and Turkey "Asia")

Second, what you probably wants to say is that arabs differ a lot from europeans. But, at least phisicaly, there is a big difference? I (a south european) have a palestinian neighbout that is more darker than me; but have also two dutch neighbours that are more clear than me. I don't see a big qualitative difference. Btw, we should be very careful when we say "[X people] differ a lot from caucasians", because one day we can say something like "Abkhazes differ a lot from caucasians". Other point - attending that probably most (or, at least, a plurality) caucasians are from India, I would say that the average sweden differs more from the average caucasian than the average syrian.

Third, i suppose that very few people have AS traits.



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13 Oct 2011, 11:20 am

I know a few people that I suspect have it. I've read somewhere that chances are actually slightly higher in African in African Americans.


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13 Oct 2011, 2:13 pm

Reports from various countries basically place AS/ASD's and a +/- 1% ratio except for that South Korean study which placed it at closer to 2% in their region. As far as I know there are no comprehensive population studies coming from African nations nor from the Caribbean. Simply, those nations do not have the resouces to conduct those studies when their national concerns are much more basic and pervasive. Until those studies are done, the question cannot be answered.



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14 Oct 2011, 3:30 am

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littlelily613 wrote:
I think the majority of people in our society who have autism are white because white people are simply the majority. I could be wrong, but I don't believe it is more prevelant in one race than another. The first autistic person I met who I knew was autistic is Arab.


Well, Arabs are caucasians...


We just say they are because we don't know where else to put them. They are asian as well because arabs countries are located in the asians continent, but they still have nothing to do culturally with eastern asian. I knew lot's of arabs in my life and I can assure you that they differ a lot from caucasians and I can assure you that very few of them have AS like traits


First, "asian continent" is largely an imaginary entity (btw, we can also say that arabs are africans...) - there is not any geographical reason to consider Armenia "Europe" and Turkey "Asia")

Second, what you probably wants to say is that arabs differ a lot from europeans. But, at least phisicaly, there is a big difference? I (a south european) have a palestinian neighbout that is more darker than me; but have also two dutch neighbours that are more clear than me. I don't see a big qualitative difference. Btw, we should be very careful when we say "[X people] differ a lot from caucasians", because one day we can say something like "Abkhazes differ a lot from caucasians". Other point - attending that probably most (or, at least, a plurality) caucasians are from India, I would say that the average sweden differs more from the average caucasian than the average syrian.

Third, i suppose that very few people have AS traits.


You will only be able to get what I say when I will live in a place they the majority of people are arabs.



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14 Oct 2011, 6:08 am

An example of an arab with AS traits (and physically undistiguible from an European...) - Ralph Nader (AFAIK, when he is not in some political campaign, he spends most of his time alone in his flat, reading the "Congressional Records").



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14 Oct 2011, 7:42 am

I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying that among all that I have known (hundreds) nearly none of them were closed to be AS. Having meet lots of people from of lots of ethnicities, it is clear to me that there exist clear difference beteen those, which are not only cultural but also genetics, and it is clear to me that what we call AS is more likely to be found in the caucasians population. This is based on my observation only, but I have very little doubt about that.



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14 Oct 2011, 7:44 am

TPE2 wrote:
An example of an arab with AS traits (and physically undistiguible from an European...) - Ralph Nader (AFAIK, when he is not in some political campaign, he spends most of his time alone in his flat, reading the "Congressional Records").


He is from Lebaneses origins, lots of lebanese decent from europeans because of the crusades.