Holy Smokes I'm no Longer Going to be Autistic!

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14 Oct 2011, 2:05 pm

I'm autistic under the new definition. The problem is the fact that I think so literally, that I might give the "wrong" answer to someone who was questioning me on some of these points.



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14 Oct 2011, 2:32 pm

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I don't think I fit the proposed DSM5 criteria!

:lol:


If you don't fit it, it would just mean you were never autistic to begin with because it be like saying someone was once a schizophrenic until it got changed in 1980 and now they were just autistic. It just means they were never a schizophrenic to begin with just like you were never autistic to begin with.



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14 Oct 2011, 4:20 pm

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I don't think I fit the proposed DSM5 criteria!

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14 Oct 2011, 4:41 pm

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Don't get me wrong, I think in many ways the criteria are written better. However, you'll notice that it is technically more difficult to get an ASD diagnosis on the Asperger's end in that you now have to fulfill all three criteria, whereas before under the AS diagnosis, only two needed to be fulfilled.


But anyone who fit the social criteria by definition fit the communication criteria too, because many of the questions were asking about the exact same traits from different angles. For example 'lack of social/emotional reciprocity' (social) and 'in individuals with normal speech, difficulty sustaining a conversation' (communication) both reflect the exact same trait. Several studies found that every child diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome actually met DSM-IV autistic disorder criteria, or else didn't meet Asperger criteria (some PDD NOS, some not autistic).



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14 Oct 2011, 4:48 pm

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Don't get me wrong, I think in many ways the criteria are written better. However, you'll notice that it is technically more difficult to get an ASD diagnosis on the Asperger's end in that you now have to fulfill all three criteria, whereas before under the AS diagnosis, only two needed to be fulfilled.


But anyone who fit the social criteria by definition fit the communication criteria too, because many of the questions were asking about the exact same traits from different angles. For example 'lack of social/emotional reciprocity' (social) and 'in individuals with normal speech, difficulty sustaining a conversation' (communication) both reflect the exact same trait. Several studies found that every child diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome actually met DSM-IV autistic disorder criteria, or else didn't meet Asperger criteria (some PDD NOS, some not autistic).


Yes, if you fit one of the social/communication criteria, then you are likely to fit all three. Yep, I lack social-emotional reciprocity with NTs, because yep, I lack NT ToM, so yep, I have deficits in verbal and non-verbal communication that depends on knowing and applying NT ToM, and yep, that screws up the initiation and development of relationships. A1, A2, A3, check, check, check.



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14 Oct 2011, 4:53 pm

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lols i was diagnosed a couple a year or two ago. i don't i put that. XD
Oh, you'll still be autistic when the DSM-5 comes out.



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14 Oct 2011, 8:03 pm

I was diagnosed with high functioning autism, not aspergers. Does that mean I'll remain under the category of autistic while people diagnosed with ASD end up in a category of their own?



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14 Oct 2011, 8:24 pm

I wonder if there is a breakdown into sub-catagories?


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14 Oct 2011, 11:35 pm

Still in that gray area where I fit most of the criteria but the degree to which I fit it is highly subjective.

Especially: " Symptoms together limit and impair everyday functioning."

Do I fit this? I have a job with the same growing company for the past 3+ years. I have been promoted and given raises. But maintaining that pretty much takes up all of my energy. I have sometimes hung out with co-workers after work but I wouldn't consider any of them to be real friends. My only real friend is likely somewhere on the spectrum also. The only date I have ever been on was when I was 17 and my sister set me up with one of her friends.



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16 Oct 2011, 1:37 pm

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I was diagnosed with high functioning autism, not aspergers. Does that mean I'll remain under the category of autistic while people diagnosed with ASD end up in a category of their own?


No, it means that people with Asperger's end up right there in Autism with you: the Asperger's category disappears (at least in the DSMV as proposed now: there's still room for change). I was warned when I was diagnosed that Asperger's is on the Autism spectrum, so it wouldn't be a shock to me when I found out.

The difference between the two diagnoses of High Functioning people has always been pretty much a matter of the doctor's whim, though there does seem to be a difference, but it's not well defined by individual variation.



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16 Oct 2011, 2:03 pm

Well as a child I would have fit all the new criteria to a tee. As an adult I don't know... B, C and D are instant ticks, but A... I've consciously learned how to do all that stuff by learning the underlying mechanisms of it, and through training. The way I figure out this stuff (the thought processes going on behind my seemingly natural communication) though are completely alien to others.


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16 Oct 2011, 2:22 pm

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Deficits in developing and maintaining relationships, appropriate to developmental level (beyond those with caregivers); ranging from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit different social contexts through difficulties in sharing imaginative play and in making friends to an apparent absence of interest in people


So..........

Apparently, autistics CAN have imaginative play, we just don't do it with other people. I'm officially more autistic than EVA under the new criteria.


Drat.


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16 Oct 2011, 2:47 pm

bergie wrote:
Still in that gray area where I fit most of the criteria but the degree to which I fit it is highly subjective.

Especially: " Symptoms together limit and impair everyday functioning."

Do I fit this? I have a job with the same growing company for the past 3+ years. I have been promoted and given raises. But maintaining that pretty much takes up all of my energy. I have sometimes hung out with co-workers after work but I wouldn't consider any of them to be real friends. My only real friend is likely somewhere on the spectrum also. The only date I have ever been on was when I was 17 and my sister set me up with one of her friends.


If you need work accommodations eg. clearer instructions and be shown all the steps to doing new things, that be an impairment there and considered a limitation I think so maybe you will be considered meeting it?


But I have no idea if it means all the symptoms you have or if it can be some symptoms even if you don't display all of them (you have) everyday.



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16 Oct 2011, 2:50 pm

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So all ASD's will b in a single category? Autistic or not.... I suppose it simplifies things... but it seems to me that can cause problems when someone is higher functioning and doesn't "act" autistic. *shrugs* not like any of us have a say

i ask people if they think im 'odd' and no1 can see it unless s**t gets emotional and people get botherd by me and i turn in2 jekel and hyde, serious i dnt have a split personallity, i just go in2 the zone when the milk turns sour. im quite bright, when i was at school i finnished my work b4 every1 else and then id be disruptive, i was only allowed to stay in mainstream school because they liked the fact i was bringin c's and above to the table. i really dont think this catagorising thing is a good idea because we r all different and never the same, (only similar) WE ARE STILL HUMAN i feel autism is part of evolution either that or its got something to do with the polution our world produces and this is the knock on effect..... u be the judge, what does my word mean to u anyway....? (sorry just cba arguing with people trying to snipe)



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16 Oct 2011, 2:53 pm

TheBrain wrote:
I wonder if there is a breakdown into sub-catagories?


Not really, but there are "degrees" of severity. You kind of have to dig deep to find them, but they do exist for DSM-V.


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16 Oct 2011, 2:55 pm

I have no idea if I meet the new criteria or if I be too mild to even meet it. I met it more as a child I would say. But I still have impairments and probably will have a social communication disorder along with ASD traits. Or maybe I will just border the ASD criteria. My mind works different than NTs and I process things differently.


Maybe I am taking it too literal. I seem to meet half of A. 1, 2, and 3. Does that mean I still have autism or no. I did pretend play growing up and did it with other kids but I did fine at my own house and when things were going my way. If they weren't going my way, I had troubles.

I can talk to people and carry on a conversation and have normal conversations. I do it off and on. I have seen other aspies do the same too, does that mean they don't have autism. I mean they are initiating a conversation. I know I communicate differently too because almost everyone online can tell and even my doctor could tell because he mentioned it when he asked me if I think I will have troubles being a parent and I said I have my husband.


I would say I met the criteria more a a child and my sensory issues aren't as much as they were as a child and I have learned to deal with change and small changes don't bother me. I just learned to adapt is all.