What does being "unable to lie" mean?

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25 Oct 2011, 5:51 pm

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I have trouble lying, even on the phone. I can be deceptive without lying though. For example I could say "I got a flat tire. I'm going to be late." These are both true but unrelated statements. I didn't say when I got the flat tire. The person on the other end of the phone will assume that I'm going to be late because of the flat tire, when really I'm going to be late because I was looking at posts on Wrong Planet.

Perfect. This is what I do as well.


But this is something you prepare in advance, right?
Maybe it's a different if you know you will be "lying" or connecting events from different periods of time as in your example, so you have time to fix a story in your head and maybe think already about what the reaction might be and prepare yourself on that than there is this surprising situation where you have to react on the spot.



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25 Oct 2011, 8:33 pm

Like the flat tire example above, I can do that. I can distort the truth and let people come to their own conclusions. Basically, I can rationalize the lie. I also can lie by omission. To outright lie about something, I am not good at. I will get caught 100% of the time, so I just don't lie.

When people ask me if I can lie, I say yes, but I don't lie because I am really bad at it. The closest I can come to a lie is omission. To me, rationalizing is not really lying if people are coming to their own conclusions from what you said. Maybe that is bad of me, but that's how it is. I do lie about mythological creatures to my young children because it is fun. :) Then they find out the truth and the back lash can be fun to watch, although y sister did have a point when she found out about Santa: "You mean, adults LIE to little kids?? That's so wrong!!"


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25 Oct 2011, 10:49 pm

I am a compulsive liar with Aspergers. I have Aspergers and I find it hard to tell the truth. Aspergers is my badge of honour.

So I am the polar opposite of the typical person on WP who has Aspergers. Having Aspergers makes us all special unique snow flakes.



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25 Oct 2011, 11:30 pm

A workmate recently asked me who I thought was older. Her or another worker. I said that I thought she was older. She got upset that I had said that. I probably was expected to say that the other woman was older or just say that I wasn't sure. I understand this, but I still stand by the truth- She does look older. And why would you ask me if you don't want an answer. I think this is what they mean when they say we are "unable to lie". I'm all about the facts. :lol:



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25 Oct 2011, 11:36 pm

I've always been told my face is too expressive for me to get away with lying.



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26 Oct 2011, 1:04 am

It seems to me that other people, for example, when asked a question, tend to go through multiple choice answers in their mind:

1 - tell the truth
2 - bend the truth a little bit
3 - make something up

For me, in a given situation, the idea that I should lie, just doesn't occur to me. My 1st inclination is to tell the truth. So in order to tell a lie, it takes much more effort, which seems to come easier to NTs. I also think it's more difficult for an Aspie to back up a lie with the correct body language and social cues. We just aren't as believable when lying.


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26 Oct 2011, 1:13 am

When people say they don't have common sense, they don't really mean it. They mean they aren't good at it as society expects them to be.

When people say they can't read between the lines, they mean they have troubles with it or aren't good at it or can't do it all the time like everyone else so they need help by needing things spelled out to them

When people say they can't smile or are unable to, they mean they don't like doing it because their don't like how their smiles look or because they don't feel comfortable doing it or that it doesn't come natural to them

When people say they are unable to argue or can't argue they mean it's too much mental energy for them or it stresses them out so they refuse to do it. They also can mean they don't like doing it and it upsets them too much when they get into an argument so they try and avoid them all they can.

And of course when people say they can't lie or are unable to, they mean the truth always comes out first or lying doesn't come natural to them so they have to think ahead of time to lie or they are not good at it because people can tell they are lying.

Even aspies don't always say what they mean either but no such thing as 100% aspie anyway. No such thing as being 100% literal either. Sometimes I am just too pedantic with my words.



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26 Oct 2011, 1:33 am

I find it easy to lie convincingly.

Mack27 wrote:
I have trouble lying, even on the phone. I can be deceptive without lying though. For example I could say "I got a flat tire. I'm going to be late." These are both true but unrelated statements. I didn't say when I got the flat tire. The person on the other end of the phone will assume that I'm going to be late because of the flat tire, when really I'm going to be late because I was looking at posts on Wrong Planet.

I used to do this sort of thing, but eventually got bored of it and these days I just tend to lie directly when I want to.



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26 Oct 2011, 1:43 am

League_Girl wrote:
Now I wonder if being unable to lie just means you can lie but people can tell you are lying or the truth always comes out first and then you can lie but it doesn't come natural to you so the truth comes out first before you lie. Also the fact you have to force yourself to lie.


This is pretty much what it's like for me. It's very difficult to almost impossible to lie because the truth always comes out of my mouth, even many times when I am intending to lie. Only very few times in my life have I managed to force myself to lie outright, which was extremely hard. Sometimes I can lie by omission more easily because what I am saying is the truth.


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26 Oct 2011, 1:49 am

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I think most people use "cannot lie" as "cannot effectively lie", which bothers me.

Personally, I cannot lie in the literal sense. I've yet to meet anyone else (or even read posts by anyone else) who is like this and am curious about anyone else who functions in the same manner as I do here.

When I say "I cannot lie" I mean "If I attempt to speak something that I know is untrue for the person I am acting as at the moment, then I lose the ability to speak in the same manner as if I had a complete shutdown."


I am sort of like this in that I open my mouth to attempt to speak something untrue, but rather than losing the ability to speak the truth comes out instead. The number of times I have successfully managed to override this and lie outright in my life I can count on one hand. These days I lie by omission (a.k.a. I am speaking the truth, but perhaps only part of the truth), but only when absolutely necessary because I still don't feel comfortable doing this.


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26 Oct 2011, 8:15 am

Tuttle wrote:
I think most people use "cannot lie" as "cannot effectively lie", which bothers me.


+1

Lying is about convincing others your deception is the truth. Anyone can tell a falsehood. Not everyone can convey it convincingly.



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26 Oct 2011, 8:31 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Tuttle wrote:
I think most people use "cannot lie" as "cannot effectively lie", which bothers me.


+1

Lying is about convincing others your deception is the truth. Anyone can tell a falsehood. Not everyone can convey it convincingly.


I think so aspies (like myself) find actually telling a falsehood extremely difficult, but others don't have a problem telling a falsehood yet are unable to do so convincingly.


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26 Oct 2011, 10:37 am

sunshower wrote:
I think so aspies (like myself) find actually telling a falsehood extremely difficult, but others don't have a problem telling a falsehood yet are unable to do so convincingly.

And some of us have no problem telling a falsehood and have no problem doing so convincingly.



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26 Oct 2011, 11:18 am

I feel so bad inside if I lie, like a mouth is in my head screaming out the truth. Also I just don't understand lying and I find honesty makes sense in any situation, as long as you aren't brutal about it. I would rather be an honest as*hole than a fake nice person.


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