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06 Nov 2011, 10:50 pm

What exactly is your point here?

Are you saying Autism is not a disorder, but IS a brain hardwiring problem? I'm not getting what it is you are specifically trying to say.


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07 Nov 2011, 12:36 am

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According to the DSM, any psychological (behaviors, beliefs, ideas) abnormality is a disorder if it meets 1 or both of the criteria below.

1. The individual suffers from his/her own abnormal behavior, belief or ideas
2. Others who interact with the individual suffer his/her abnormal behavior, belief, ideas.

If a person's abnormality does not meet the criteria, it is just esentricity

I guess you can say, for some yes, autism is a disorder, yet for others, no it is not,

Also abnormal behaviors/beliefs/ideas that are part of a religious belief is not a disorder.

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Well there is the answer, Since we are being booted from the DSM, time to declare it a Religion. We can pray to The Great Motherboard, and I think we should wear hats. I like 1940s Fedoras, uncommon now.

Then we would be treated the same as Jehova's Witnesses, or pairs of Mormons on bikes. People would expect us to talk on and on about our subject.

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07 Nov 2011, 12:52 am

I am saying that autism is the rewiring of the brain that different from other people. I just think that people should either treat autism or accepted it.



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07 Nov 2011, 5:00 am

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Instead of parsing words, wouldn't it be more productive to just do whatever you need to do to make your life better?


Maybe it would be but if I could just do that then that means nothing is wrong with me. The fact that I can't just do things to make my life better is why I think I have something wrong with me.



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07 Nov 2011, 7:04 am

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Why do people with autism say that is part of who they are as a person.


Because "you" = your brain.



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07 Nov 2011, 7:13 am

hanyo wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
Instead of parsing words, wouldn't it be more productive to just do whatever you need to do to make your life better?


Maybe it would be but if I could just do that then that means nothing is wrong with me. The fact that I can't just do things to make my life better is why I think I have something wrong with me.


Then it is a disorder.

My point is that it doesn't matter what you call it, it only matters what you do about it. Call it autism. Call it foo foo brain. Whatever. You still have the exact same challenges and strengths before and after you label it.


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07 Nov 2011, 7:17 am

If you took away my autism, you would take away my special intense interests (among the other traits of autism) and I would no longer be the person I am.

I acknowledge challenges in life (everyone has challenges). My challenges are typical for autism---sensory, anxiety, social, etc. But I try to focus on the positives. So I am happy with who I am. I do not want changed.

In my opinion, for me to be altered would change the way I was born, and thus that would become a disorder for me. I am used to my life---and I am content with it.


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07 Nov 2011, 10:51 am

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For example when John Elder went through tms treatment. His social kills improve greatly and he still had his asperger's


I wish I could make social kills. :(


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07 Nov 2011, 10:56 am

If I didn't have autism I'd have even less going for me.



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07 Nov 2011, 11:06 am

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Curing autism won't change your personalty, it will change how your brain works. Why do people say that autism is part of their personalty?


Well even if it where possible to cure it......a potential issue that could come with that is having to completely re-learn how to function at all I mean I don't know how to function with a brain that works completely differently then it has been that would be confusing. I would not feel like myself.



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07 Nov 2011, 12:50 pm

For me it is not that I have a problem with other people, other people have a problem with me for the most part and I would never want to be part of that world, "normal" or not.



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07 Nov 2011, 1:17 pm

Personally,I reset the choice of words used in the DSM; that the individual or others "suffer" from the behaviors. My only suffering from my "abnormal behaviors" has been the reaction of others who are condemning, judgmental NTs. My "abnormal behaviors (stimming, occasional funny noises, repetetive actions) always have made me happy or content...if the majority of people accepted us as equals and ignored our quirks, would so many Aspies feel so bad about themselves and have such a desire for a 'cure'?



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07 Nov 2011, 4:25 pm

To me it's a disability. I don't socialise on the level of NTs but in a different way. I find it hard to socialise, as though I'm below a level. I don't mean with maturity, I just mean with confidence. Even unconfident, shy NTs still seem to have the social skills there from when they need them, whether they intentionally isolate themselves from people or not. My mum is NT, and is very shy and she hates socialising and she wishes she just lived on a remote island with family only, and not having to mix with anybody else. That is how much she hates people. But when she was on holiday she showed me all these pictures of a big crowd she had met and she looked all social and got accepted and done things with them.....I wouldn't of been able to do that when on holiday. I don't make friends at all, and it's not because I'm different. It's because I hang back and don't join in because I lack the right social skills. I don't have different social skills. I lack all social skills.

Perhaps the disorder makes me different, but not the other away around. But then again, Mental Retardation makes people different. So it's not just Autism. Other conditions can aswell.


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07 Nov 2011, 4:54 pm

While mental disorders don't entirely define the people who have them, It's difficult to separate such a diffuse pattern of brain development from well... the rest of the brain! after all it's not like someone's personality (whatever we mean by that term) is floating around outside of their head, or guarded in an isolated section of the brain. The brain is a gob of wires, all connected. In fact, our ultimate decisions are made with the executive function of the frontal lobes. That area is the most commonly disordered area of the brain.

I don't resent everything about aspergers because I am confident that it has caused me to see great beauty in subjects that most NTs would never have much curiosity about at all.