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23 Nov 2011, 2:26 pm

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I actually don't know the stats, but I am don't believe Fact #2. The prohibition of Cannabis is a non-profit endeavor; there is no payback for destroying grow ops or seized product; VERY little pot money is seized, the large cash seizures are usually primarily generated through the simulataneous sale of other drugs by real drug dealers; and the sale of assets owned by convicted dealers would also generate little revenue, and would again be a factor for all drug dealers, not just pot. Also, there is no gain in imprisoning people, just expense. If pot was regulated and taxed it would generate revenue, from sales tax to income tax from growers and distributors, etc.
As it is now, the money involved in the war on drugs is your (our) tax dollars. This money could go to the same people to track down cocaine and heroin supply routes, or to actively seek out meth networks; but that is harder to do, and the publicity, political praise, and opportunity for self-promoting propoganda are greater with instant results, even if they are tracking down pacifist hippies (as opposed to hardened fellons).
Although I agree with prohibition and strong regulation of some substances, the active war against them is not working, and I'd rather see those dollars spent giving vulnerable people the support and hope they need to decide not to use some of the more destructive drugs; my personal experience leads me to believe that the ravages of drug abuse and previous need for social supports (financial or other) go hand-in-hand.


Here's another theory the goverment wants gang wars they want people getting killed over drug deals gone bad.
They want to scare you and I and your childern about "the dangers of marijuana"
The anti marijuana party are even finding ways to do this so well that people do not want marijuana legalized ever convicing doctors too tell there paitents that it kills brain cells when it actually in the long term can help people think out side of the box.



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23 Nov 2011, 3:26 pm

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Anything in moderation? Yeah, I think I'll shoot some mercury just once.


If you've ever had a tuna sandwich you already have. :wink: That's another common myth - that toxicity is all about substance. As any toxicologist will tell you, anything can be poisonous in a large enough dose.



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23 Nov 2011, 3:56 pm

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Anything in moderation? Yeah, I think I'll shoot some mercury just once.


:lol:

This make me laugh because I can't do any amount of cannabis without very bad effects. I get paranoid and hallucinate without the stuff, already. I've been checked out for schizo spectrum disorders; I probably don't have them. I'm not going to say that my brain chemistry is anywhere near typical, though.

Just some people can't do weed, at all. Like some people can't eat peanuts - but that doesn't mean peanuts should be illegal.


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23 Nov 2011, 4:02 pm

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Anything in moderation? Yeah, I think I'll shoot some mercury just once.


If you've ever had a tuna sandwich you already have. :wink: That's another common myth - that toxicity is all about substance. As any toxicologist will tell you, anything can be poisonous in a large enough dose.


Thats exactly why no one ever died of a cannabis overdose the Letal dose of the substance is very much on the relativly harmless side of the scale.
This is the wrost that would happen if you smoke too much:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1kTZRcKZ6Y[/youtube]



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23 Nov 2011, 4:15 pm

Green Cross style med pot dispensaries are opening around the world, and have many patients who have now got off codeine etc and now 100% cannabis. Side affects are considerably better or near zero with cannabis, and it has such a wide action and applicability that many diseases and patients respond well to cannabis



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23 Nov 2011, 4:39 pm

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This might be just a coincidence but I was put in a mental hospital for two weeks and nearly all of the people in there with psychosis smoked weed. They said they got the symptoms after they started smoking it and they got worse the more they smoked, only a few had mental illness in the family. In my area weed has become so much more potent in the last few years who knows what they mix with it, just one puff makes me high for the whole day, and not in a nice relaxed way like I remembered it. I think it should be used for medical reasons if they know it's pure.


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23 Nov 2011, 4:46 pm

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Anything in moderation? Yeah, I think I'll shoot some mercury just once.


MODERATION. lol... did I say everything in there extremes.....? non.

like someone already stated, even if your allergic to something than taking 0.0000000000000000000000001 mg to the point of it being in moderation is what she meant.

Do you have a PHD? - non, probably why you allowed your dogma to sway your interpretation and take it out of context.

I'm not being offensive, it's just I specifically stated extra information so it wouldn't get a response from someone who interprets things like that.

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23 Nov 2011, 4:47 pm

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This might be just a coincidence but I was put in a mental hospital for two weeks and nearly all of the people in there with psychosis smoked weed. They said they got the symptoms after they started smoking it and they got worse the more they smoked, only a few had mental illness in the family. In my area weed has become so much more potent in the last few years who knows what they mix with it, just one puff makes me high for the whole day, and not in a nice relaxed way like I remembered it. I think it should be used for medical reasons if they know it's pure.


Ye Olde bridge lurking Troll,


Wow that really pisses me off when people b***h about weed, If you think marijuana is making you go crazy don't f*****g smoke it! go have a wine cooler with salley.
Marijuana is always pure no dealer would give you a free high and expect you to pay the same amount of money becuase then they'd be losing money stuff is not cheap.



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23 Nov 2011, 5:01 pm

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This might be just a coincidence but I was put in a mental hospital for two weeks and nearly all of the people in there with psychosis smoked weed. They said they got the symptoms after they started smoking it and they got worse the more they smoked, only a few had mental illness in the family. In my area weed has become so much more potent in the last few years who knows what they mix with it, just one puff makes me high for the whole day, and not in a nice relaxed way like I remembered it. I think it should be used for medical reasons if they know it's pure.


Ye Olde bridge lurking Troll,


Wow that really pisses me off when people b***h about weed, If you think marijuana is making you go crazy don't f***ing smoke it! go have a wine cooler with salley.
Marijuana is always pure no dealer would give you a free high and expect you to pay the same amount of money becuase then they'd be losing money stuff is not cheap.


I call it republican syndrome... :lmao:
You can make anything look like a coincidence, is it a coincidence that alcohol abuse is linked to 75 000 deaths in america?

If people are ragging on a flower, and neglecting the cold truth about alcohol then we as a democratic world have some serious communication issues with science.

I don't support cannabis, I support the truth. - re-read this.... then re-read it again.

Ps, J walking is illegal... yet genocide is completely acceptable? re-read this.



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23 Nov 2011, 5:09 pm

The Truth, huh?

The only truth I know is my own experience.

Doesn't lead to other drugs? Bull. Of course it does. Just because there are people out there who've never done anything but pot, doesn't mean it doesn't lead to other drugs. I've planted flowers in pots, and they never got weeds. That doesn't mean flower planters don't get weeds. Every person I ever knew who smoked pot, started with pot, and eventually did all kinds of other street drugs. Every one of them. And I knew a LOT of them. It does lead to other drugs. To believe otherwise just because a few manage not to do anything else, is like denying you won't get hit by a car crossing interstate 95 near Boston just because you know some people that have done it and lived.

The rest is just experience. And I trust that more than anything I read on the web.

Here's what I got from using it:

Destroyed my short term memory for several years. It took many years to get it back.
Destroyed pretty much all my motivation.
Exacerbated my AS symptoms, including but not limited to alertness, awareness of social rules, sociability in general, desire to interact with people unless they were stoned too, ability to think logically, and many other things I can't even remember right now.
Wasted years of time accomplishing nothing of importance.

I'm not even going to bother listing everything. Suffice to say it did nothing positive for me whatsoever.

And yes, this is just my own experience, but I have also known a great many people who've done it and given it up for the very same reasons. I know not one person whose given it up that defends it. The only people I know who do are still taking the stuff. Yeah, well I defended it too while I was taking it. Now that it's out of my system now for over twenty years, I know for a fact how much fallacy is behind the arguments I used for it. But I never would have known had I not gotten it out of my life.

Since the vast majority of marijuana defenders are users themselves, I don't trust anything any of them say is "The Truth" about cannabis. I look for sources that DON'T use it. A foggy mind on drugs should never be trusted. I've heard and used most of these arguments and save but a few of them, most of them are just not true in my universe. But my universe is drug free.


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23 Nov 2011, 5:17 pm

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I don't know cannabis can mess you up pretty badly I had a really bad panic attack because of it once and ended up thinking i was having a heart attack and hiding in a field for three hours and one time I just lost control of myself and my head fell and banged onto the table in front of me then I felt really really hot and started taking off all my coats in the freezing cold.
and It's really bad for my asthma, worse than cigarettes. I don't really think it should be illegal and it's Ok for some people but then again I don't really like it.


If someone hasn't smoked it for a while, or it's a first time, they can get kinda paranoid.
I just power through the anxiety and by the 2nd or 3rd day of smoking it's all good :)

But if someone doesn't like it, that cool. More for the folks who do.

I stopped because, I eventually built up so much of a tolerance, it became a waste of time, I couldn't get sufficiently stoned anymore. Not even if I stop for a while and start again. My brain is just too used to THC.
Not to mention it's just too much of a pain in the a** to acquire, and it's too expensive.


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23 Nov 2011, 5:24 pm

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The Truth, huh?

The only truth I know is my own experience.

Doesn't lead to other drugs? Bull. Of course it does. Just because there are people out there who've never done anything but pot, doesn't mean it doesn't lead to other drugs. I've planted flowers in pots, and they never got weeds. That doesn't mean flower planters don't get weeds. Every person I ever knew who smoked pot, started with pot, and eventually did all kinds of other street drugs. Every one of them. And I knew a LOT of them. It does lead to other drugs. To believe otherwise just because a few manage not to do anything else, is like denying you won't get hit by a car crossing interstate 95 near Boston just because you know some people that have done it and lived.

The rest is just experience. And I trust that more than anything I read on the web.

Here's what I got from using it:

Destroyed my short term memory for several years. It took many years to get it back.
Destroyed pretty much all my motivation.
Exacerbated my AS symptoms, including but not limited to alertness, awareness of social rules, sociability in general, desire to interact with people unless they were stoned too, ability to think logically, and many other things I can't even remember right now.
Wasted years of time accomplishing nothing of importance.

I'm not even going to bother listing everything. Suffice to say it did nothing positive for me whatsoever.

And yes, this is just my own experience, but I have also known a great many people who've done it and given it up for the very same reasons. I know not one person whose given it up that defends it. The only people I know who do are still taking the stuff. Yeah, well I defended it too while I was taking it. Now that it's out of my system now for over twenty years, I know for a fact how much fallacy is behind the arguments I used for it. But I never would have known had I not gotten it out of my life.

Since the vast majority of marijuana defenders are users themselves, I don't trust anything any of them say is "The Truth" about cannabis. I look for sources that DON'T use it. A foggy mind on drugs should never be trusted. I've heard and used most of these arguments and save but a few of them, most of them are just not true in my universe. But my universe is drug free.


You blatantly asked for it.

You are a troll, and really need to read a book or do some research instead of listening to other people all the time, You state it's only your opinion and only your experiences..... re-read what your saying.... I'm not sure where you came to this conclusion that you speak for yourself?

I've seen you post a few times, and all you state is what other people think, and what are other people are doing and saying.

I'm sorry that you found a path tainted with delusions and negative repercussions.

I'm sorry that you lead your self on to believe that an experience with something has made your IQ dramatically alter, may I ask if you kept a diary or a journal before and afterwards? or did you just assume?

Do you take advil? Do you drink tea? Do you drink alcohol? - you should try some memory tests with alcohol.

I challenge you to an essay.

ps: I am opposed to drugs, but I am more opposed to swayed dogma.



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23 Nov 2011, 5:40 pm

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J87 wrote:
This might be just a coincidence but I was put in a mental hospital for two weeks and nearly all of the people in there with psychosis smoked weed. They said they got the symptoms after they started smoking it and they got worse the more they smoked, only a few had mental illness in the family. In my area weed has become so much more potent in the last few years who knows what they mix with it, just one puff makes me high for the whole day, and not in a nice relaxed way like I remembered it. I think it should be used for medical reasons if they know it's pure.


Ye Olde bridge lurking Troll,


Wow that really pisses me off when people b***h about weed, If you think marijuana is making you go crazy don't f***ing smoke it! go have a wine cooler with salley.
Marijuana is always pure no dealer would give you a free high and expect you to pay the same amount of money becuase then they'd be losing money stuff is not cheap.


I call it republican syndrome... :lmao:
You can make anything look like a coincidence, is it a coincidence that alcohol abuse is linked to 75 000 deaths in america?

If people are ragging on a flower, and neglecting the cold truth about alcohol then we as a democratic world have some serious communication issues with science.

I don't support cannabis, I support the truth. - re-read this.... then re-read it again.

Ps, J walking is illegal... yet genocide is completely acceptable? re-read this.


I think they should be more strict on alcohol consumption because obviously people don't get the message not to f*****g drink and drive.
However with cannabis you can be sky high and drive perfectly fine check out this video
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Fcks7pla0[/youtube]
However if you do get caught driving stoned you can get arrested they do treat this like your driving drunk.
Also if anyone has ever been too a cannabis smoke shop they do not EVER support alcohol.



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23 Nov 2011, 5:42 pm

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The Truth, huh?

The only truth I know is my own experience.

Doesn't lead to other drugs? Bull. Of course it does. Just because there are people out there who've never done anything but pot, doesn't mean it doesn't lead to other drugs. I've planted flowers in pots, and they never got weeds. That doesn't mean flower planters don't get weeds. Every person I ever knew who smoked pot, started with pot, and eventually did all kinds of other street drugs. Every one of them. And I knew a LOT of them. It does lead to other drugs. To believe otherwise just because a few manage not to do anything else, is like denying you won't get hit by a car crossing interstate 95 near Boston just because you know some people that have done it and lived.

The rest is just experience. And I trust that more than anything I read on the web.

Here's what I got from using it:

Destroyed my short term memory for several years. It took many years to get it back.
Destroyed pretty much all my motivation.
Exacerbated my AS symptoms, including but not limited to alertness, awareness of social rules, sociability in general, desire to interact with people unless they were stoned too, ability to think logically, and many other things I can't even remember right now.
Wasted years of time accomplishing nothing of importance.

I'm not even going to bother listing everything. Suffice to say it did nothing positive for me whatsoever.

And yes, this is just my own experience, but I have also known a great many people who've done it and given it up for the very same reasons. I know not one person whose given it up that defends it. The only people I know who do are still taking the stuff. Yeah, well I defended it too while I was taking it. Now that it's out of my system now for over twenty years, I know for a fact how much fallacy is behind the arguments I used for it. But I never would have known had I not gotten it out of my life.

Since the vast majority of marijuana defenders are users themselves, I don't trust anything any of them say is "The Truth" about cannabis. I look for sources that DON'T use it. A foggy mind on drugs should never be trusted. I've heard and used most of these arguments and save but a few of them, most of them are just not true in my universe. But my universe is drug free.


Have you ever tried morphine in a social setting? NO, cause it has medical purposes.

Why were you using cannabis, and EXPECTING magical and positive results in the first place?

Do you understand that you abusing a substance and prancing around trashing other people is ignorant to those with serious and chronic diseases that rely on things like this?

Category 1:
This category is comprised of any symptoms treated within the context of providing compassionate end-of-life care; or the symptoms associated with the specified medical conditions listed in the schedule to the Regulations, namely:

Severe pain and/or persistent muscle spasms from multiple sclerosis;
Severe pain and/or persistent muscle spasms from a spinal cord injury;
Severe pain and/or persistent muscle spasms from spinal cord disease;
Severe pain, cachexia, anorexia, weight loss, and/or severe nausea from cancer;
Severe pain, cachexia, anorexia, weight loss, and/or severe nausea from HIV/AIDS infection;
Severe pain from severe forms of arthritis; or
Seizures from epilepsy.
Applicants must provide a declaration from a medical practitioner to support their application.

Category 2:
This category is for applicants who have debilitating symptom(s) of medical condition(s), other than those described in Category 1.

Under Category 2, persons with debilitating symptoms can apply to obtain an Authorization to Possess dried marijuana for medical purposes, if a specialist confirms the diagnosis and that conventional treatments have failed or judged inappropriate to relieve symptoms of the medical condition. While an assessment of the applicant's case by a specialist is required, the treating physician, whether or not a specialist, can sign the medical declaration.

I don't understand why just because you abused something you WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USING, you now think no one else can do it.

Shame on you, for mocking my truth. SHAME.

I also don't need to state that I do not do drugs just to feel better about myself. I'll shoot some heroin tomorrow If I want.
I'm not going to, but that's my point.



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23 Nov 2011, 5:51 pm

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Kail wrote:
number2 wrote:
Kail wrote:
J87 wrote:
This might be just a coincidence but I was put in a mental hospital for two weeks and nearly all of the people in there with psychosis smoked weed. They said they got the symptoms after they started smoking it and they got worse the more they smoked, only a few had mental illness in the family. In my area weed has become so much more potent in the last few years who knows what they mix with it, just one puff makes me high for the whole day, and not in a nice relaxed way like I remembered it. I think it should be used for medical reasons if they know it's pure.


Ye Olde bridge lurking Troll,


Wow that really pisses me off when people b***h about weed, If you think marijuana is making you go crazy don't f***ing smoke it! go have a wine cooler with salley.
Marijuana is always pure no dealer would give you a free high and expect you to pay the same amount of money becuase then they'd be losing money stuff is not cheap.


I call it republican syndrome... :lmao:
You can make anything look like a coincidence, is it a coincidence that alcohol abuse is linked to 75 000 deaths in america?

If people are ragging on a flower, and neglecting the cold truth about alcohol then we as a democratic world have some serious communication issues with science.

I don't support cannabis, I support the truth. - re-read this.... then re-read it again.

Ps, J walking is illegal... yet genocide is completely acceptable? re-read this.


I think they should be more strict on alcohol consumption because obviously people don't get the message not to f***ing drink and drive.
However with cannabis you can be sky high and drive perfectly fine check out this video
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Fcks7pla0[/youtube]
However if you do get caught driving stoned you can get arrested they do treat this like your driving drunk.
Also if anyone has ever been too a cannabis smoke shop they do not EVER support alcohol.


Have you seen gardening and driving on salvia? It's real funny :p



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23 Nov 2011, 5:52 pm

Kail wrote:
...Category 2:
This category is for applicants who have debilitating symptom(s) of medical condition(s), other than those described in Category 1.

Under Category 2, persons with debilitating symptoms can apply to obtain an Authorization to Possess dried marijuana for medical purposes, if a specialist confirms the diagnosis and that conventional treatments have failed or judged inappropriate to relieve symptoms of the medical condition. While an assessment of the applicant's case by a specialist is required, the treating physician, whether or not a specialist, can sign the medical declaration...


Severe pain and/or persistent muscle spasms from Parkinson's and Dystonia without it, with it I exhibit few if any visible symptoms.