Dispel this myth about autism for me, please

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27 Nov 2011, 11:26 pm

If you look at my posts in chronological order, you will see that nearly any discussion (besides the ones where I intentionally suppress rational drives), gets bits and pieces of my special interest (names of enzymes, proteins, hormones, etc) inserted. However, I think I would be an unsuitable basis for your character because I have a tendency to try to destroy all intellectual competition, and one subject in which this is true is the subject of mathematics (attempting higher AP exam than enrolled course). There is a certain urge to mention something relating to the special interest while conversing, although it is not what one would call a tic.



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28 Nov 2011, 12:05 am

kevinjh wrote:
If you look at my posts in chronological order...


Who seriously hasn't done this yet?



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28 Nov 2011, 12:16 am

fraac wrote:
kevinjh wrote:
If you look at my posts in chronological order...


Who seriously hasn't done this yet?


I would think most people. This is very fortunate because most would get headaches from the constant mood whiplash. (These are not mood swings, these are only instances of emotional fiat.)



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28 Nov 2011, 12:26 am

Thanks. This is helping. I didn't want people to criticise me thinking my character sounded more AS than autistic. I can only really write about what I know and that's myself, so my character may have elements of ADHD, though I've tried to take some of it out. I have my own ADHD character too.
I think I will keep him autistic and he only goes by 'autistic' it's everyone else that wants to call him HFA.


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28 Nov 2011, 12:28 am

I'm eager to share my interests with my autistic brothers and sisters on WP, somewhat eager to share them with my best friends and too private to share them with the NTs in my life, except for a few that I feel I can trust.


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28 Nov 2011, 12:29 am

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"Help! I'm talking, and I can't shut up!" That's how I feel sometimes. At other times, I can't get a word in edgewise in a conversation. At still other times, I really don't want to talk at all. When I get going, I can pour out a great deal about whatever's in my head at the time. I do have interests, and I can go on at length about them, but I can go on about anything else, too, such as an opinion about whatever topic is being discussed. I do it in writing, too, as anyone who's read my posts here can attest. One time, I was writing an e-mail from a friend's computer, and she asked if I were writing a novel. (Part of what made it take so long to finish, though, was that I was editing, which I can also do to death!)

I'm not ready for anyone to take any of that into account just yet, though. I find out if I have Asperger's, something else, or just a goofy, annoying personality on Tuesday, so let's hold off on whether or not this counts until then.

In the meantime, I'll repeat a quote for the second time today, which I recently read in a book: "If you've met one kid with Asperger's, you've met one."


I can relate. When I talk sometimes I feel like 'what am I talking about' or 'how can I stop?'
Sometimes I think I've talked too much and I'm not making much sense, or I'm just exhausted. The same happens when I talk online.

And then I have the moments of wanting to talk but can't or can't be bothered to talk...where's meds? meds make me talkative.


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28 Nov 2011, 5:25 am

I have HFA and I live with someone who has classic autism. Both of us have obsessive interests. With him it is tractors, combine harvesters, farming and birds. He rarely talks about anything else, but occasionally he will surprise you with how 'switched on' he actually is. I was quite surprised for example, when after my rabbit died, he put his arm around me and told me he was really sorry that Jenifer had died. Even the staff were shocked as he had never shown any kind of understanding of other people's emotions before! With me, my interests sort of became more wide as I got older. I am interested in musicals, buildings (especially 1960's), small animals and Pokémon. When I was younger, it was Pokémon and nothing else. In my teens it was Futurama, then rabbits. I used to really struggle to speak to people so talking about my special interest helped.

I think the worst part of it for me was that when I had a serious problem (like the bullying) that I wanted to tell my Mum about, I just couldn't get the words out and ended up talking about an episode of Futurama. That can be quite distressing.

On the other hand, some of the people I live with don't really have special interests as such. It's such a broad spectrum. That's what makes it interesting. Also I like the fact that your character is maths illiterate because I am sick to death of people asking me why I can't tell them the 48th figure of pi! I am an artiste!


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28 Nov 2011, 6:58 am

Good thread title. This was the least realistic part of "The Curious Case of the Dog in the Nighttime." To me, anyway. Here was a kid who had difficulty communicating, yet every second chapter was a lucid and easy to follow discussion of some topic that an NT would easily understand. He was not AS, he was NT who was self obsessed.

Important caveat: every person is different. Others will not share my approach. I just want to make the point that "aspie obsession" does NOT mean "open an NT book and memorize the words, then share with everyone". That is NOT how it works.

I think the key to autism, as this forum title suggests, is being on the wrong planet. An autistic person will often (but not always) see their interests in a way that others will not. This might make it hard to discuss. To illustrate, here are my special interests, how the vast majority of NTs see them, and how I see them.

Economics:
Other people talk about mainstream theories and how things currently work. I dismiss all textbooks as illogical and am only interested in the foundational logic.

Comics:
Other people see them as escapism, as "just comics." I demand realism (as a balance: I will embrace sci-fi as long as it is justified), and search for deep meanings that the writer never consciously intended, but arise due to how comics evolve.

Religion:
Other people see it as a comfort, or as history and theology. I see it sociologically: I find myself both attacking and defending it, depending on context. NTs seem to prefer either a black and white approach or they lose interest.

In each case I do not fit in. I often visit forums where people discuss economics, comics and religion, and have very little in common.

NT obsessions naturally follow the herd. I think AS people are more likely to go off on their own path. So that makes it hard to communicate, even when we want to.

Ironically, I find that NTs are more interested in the details and in lists. Economists focus on trivial details. Comic collectors care about first appearances and prices. The religious people that I know enjoy the surface details while not questioning the foundations (because that would threaten the social and emotional benefit they obtain), while the atheists I know dismiss it on what seems like narrow grounds, whereas the sociologists are only interested for academic reasons and don't really care. They are not, for example, looking for a better kind of religion, which to me seems the obvious approach.

I see the same with games and books. I can confidently state, because I have spent time searching for others, that I am the world's most obsessive person concerning the game "Zak McKracken," the book "The Man Who Was Magic," and possibly the Solar Pons series. I treat them as religious texts. I analyze their meaning. But I do not "feel" them or collect statistics in the way that NTs do.



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28 Nov 2011, 2:23 pm

Whoa, trappedinhell - THAT!! !

No wonder I had to develop something myself and not follow anyone else's religion.

On a related note, no wonder my joke about Judaism (let's not argue here about whether or not I'm Jewish with only my father being Jewish) isn't that, if you get two of us in the same room together, you have at least three opinions, but that, if you get one of me in the same room, you have at least three opinions!

Loved your post. Wrong Planet, indeed!

On an unrelated note, kevinjh, maybe the Asperger's sequence is,
NT: Muttermumblenonsensewhatever
Aspie: Huh?
NT:Pokeprodjab
Aspie: Hey!
NT: insistdemandstomp
Aspie: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh


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28 Nov 2011, 2:27 pm

I don't like to talk to people, about anything, unless I know them well enough.



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28 Nov 2011, 2:43 pm

Jellybean wrote:
Also I like the fact that your character is maths illiterate because I am sick to death of people asking me why I can't tell them the 48th figure of pi! I am an artiste!


It's 7
No, I didn't know it, but I just had to look it up.



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28 Nov 2011, 6:43 pm

MindWithoutWalls wrote:
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On an unrelated note, kevinjh, maybe the Asperger's sequence is,
NT: Muttermumblenonsensewhatever
Aspie: Huh?
NT:Pokeprodjab
Aspie: Hey!
NT: insistdemandstomp
Aspie: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh


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28 Nov 2011, 6:51 pm

trappedinhell wrote:
Good thread title. This was the least realistic part of "The Curious Case of the Dog in the Nighttime." To me, anyway. Here was a kid who had difficulty communicating, yet every second chapter was a lucid and easy to follow discussion of some topic that an NT would easily understand. He was not AS, he was NT who was self obsessed.

Important caveat: every person is different. Others will not share my approach. I just want to make the point that "aspie obsession" does NOT mean "open an NT book and memorize the words, then share with everyone". That is NOT how it works.

I think the key to autism, as this forum title suggests, is being on the wrong planet. An autistic person will often (but not always) see their interests in a way that others will not. This might make it hard to discuss. To illustrate, here are my special interests, how the vast majority of NTs see them, and how I see them.

Economics:
Other people talk about mainstream theories and how things currently work. I dismiss all textbooks as illogical and am only interested in the foundational logic.

Comics:
Other people see them as escapism, as "just comics." I demand realism (as a balance: I will embrace sci-fi as long as it is justified), and search for deep meanings that the writer never consciously intended, but arise due to how comics evolve.

Religion:
Other people see it as a comfort, or as history and theology. I see it sociologically: I find myself both attacking and defending it, depending on context. NTs seem to prefer either a black and white approach or they lose interest.

In each case I do not fit in. I often visit forums where people discuss economics, comics and religion, and have very little in common.

NT obsessions naturally follow the herd. I think AS people are more likely to go off on their own path. So that makes it hard to communicate, even when we want to.

Ironically, I find that NTs are more interested in the details and in lists. Economists focus on trivial details. Comic collectors care about first appearances and prices. The religious people that I know enjoy the surface details while not questioning the foundations (because that would threaten the social and emotional benefit they obtain), while the atheists I know dismiss it on what seems like narrow grounds, whereas the sociologists are only interested for academic reasons and don't really care. They are not, for example, looking for a better kind of religion, which to me seems the obvious approach.

I see the same with games and books. I can confidently state, because I have spent time searching for others, that I am the world's most obsessive person concerning the game "Zak McKracken," the book "The Man Who Was Magic," and possibly the Solar Pons series. I treat them as religious texts. I analyze their meaning. But I do not "feel" them or collect statistics in the way that NTs do.


I love the style of comic books. The grammatically correct punctuation but shortened and the vibrant colours and the detail of the images. And also the build to emotion; the most emotional scenes have barely any writing or detail to them. I also love the history of the comic book and stick to classics, but I do have a thing for Star Wars, and possibly Bat Man. I usually only buy one kind of series at a certain time. Unless, like the classics each one cost $1.
There's more to comic books than stories. I especially love when they started to integrate political and drug themes in them.

As for religion I do view it as a sociological thing too but my own religion which I hardly see as a religion because I don't go to church or share it, is a literal interpretation of the Bible. Although, maybe I should actually read the Bible.
I think I understand why people follow religions; to gain some meaning out of life or to have something to live for. I defend all types by saying you can't just blame the individual for what another group does in the name of their religion. Would you blame a tiny coastal church for a religious genocide they know nothing about? That's what angers me, because atheists use the same excuse for hating religion. My dad was Hindu, my mum a Christian, I learned about Islam and Judaism and at the end of it all I join a religion that even my mother calls a cult.

I love sci-fi for the physics and that's probably why I love Star Trek the most because the writers research physics and then try to come up with their own ideas that have to stay in the confines of quantum physics and some of it has been before its time. Although, there have been some mistakes. My own sci-fi will be very detailed.
Sci-fi actually made me feel more empathy for people and understand the importance of team work, especially when you're fighting to stay alive and save the Earth from destruction.

I never got along with other Stargate fans. One problem was they treated the show like reality, like the characters were real people and judged them based on their actions. I just felt like saying 'guys, you know it's fiction right? That happened because the writers made it happen.' And then there were fan girls and fan boys and 'who would win in a fight between Stargate characters and Firefly characters?' I'm still not completely sure what Firefly was about.

Even as a child I interpreted The Lion King in such a deeper way than other children and now that it's popular again I'm just reminded of it.

I always get stuck on one part of an interest. Astronomy is pretty much about meteor showers now.

These replies have been very helpful but I have to get back to my writing.


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