---- again sorry if I offend and it's a rant-like, I didn't mind my wording much ----
XFilesGeek wrote:
An ability in art does not cancel "cold objective reasoning." Leonardo DaVinci was both an artist and a brilliant engineer.
But of course. However statistically that's the impression I get.
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That only works is you believe 1.) Art cannot be "objective," and 2.) "Objectivity" is the only type of knowledge that is valuable.
Ironically, any ascertain that one is inherently "better" is based on subjective reasoning. It has about as much standing as saying grapes are "superior" to oranges.
Yes art can provide with objective knowledge and that which does that is the most valuable. However that does not move art up in that hierarchy, but that's why art is included at all.
Subjective experiences are classified which provides means for obtaining certain general observations which are crucial to our understanding of ourselves.
I very much agree about this "better" thing, however, if we measure "betterness" by a criteria of objectivity science comes on top. That's about it. There is no subjective reasoning here. Grapes are superior to oranges regarding amount of resveratrol they contain. And thus based on this they would probably be higher on the "foods for longevity" scale.
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I've had the opposite experience. I usually found that it was the engineering-types who had a beef with me.
Yes but there are deep cultural reasons for that, I think. In my experience art always comes on top in the eyes of people nor do people appreciate science. Very often they don't even know what science really is. While everyone these days is an artist.
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I don't see value of art that much compared to science. Art is subjective and random. As far as I am concerned I could survive without any art at all with other people like me. I believe in science and there is nothing more beautiful than nature itself.
I often get the feeling that the meaning of art is bloated out of proportion. (again, sorry if I offend anyone)
To me mathematics is the most amazing art of all.
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Science describes the physical world; it doesn't tell us how to interpret it in relation to our everyday lives.
I don't understand what is there to interpret.
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And, from a viewpoint of pure survival, we don't really need "science" either.
Yes for that we might need art or something like that perhaps. But to evolve we cannot do that without science.
Science is what gives us the ultimate truth. It encompasses art as well, I bet it can be entangled and there are already formulas for art. Subjective experience is just merely a subset of a more general theory. And art is in a way a good source for data of the social experiment.