Does television/the modern world cause autism?

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13 Dec 2011, 9:33 am

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I hardly watch any TV at all. I only watch The Olympics, the Stanley Cup Playoffs and rare documentaries and shows that are of interest. I don't watch TV for the sake of watching TV.


I haven't watched actual tv in years.


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13 Dec 2011, 10:42 am

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If people are spending increasing amounts of time in front of television and computers, how can they be expected to develop socially? Is it possible all of society is becoming less social and those who are less socially adept are crossing into what we call autism? I'm just curious about what people think about this theory. Before people had cable television, the internet, and video games they spent a great deal of time sitting around and talking without all of the noise and distractions. All of this practice would mean that even people who were not born socially adept would develop enough social skills to get by. Could it be that being able to socialize and relate to others is a skill just like any other and people in modern countries are simply not getting nearly enough practice? People 100 years ago were so much more articulate and better at expressing themselves than we are today. Even look at movie dialogues and books written. They were much more drawn out, descriptive, wordy, etc... Is it possible that television could confuse the young mind as well making it difficult to understand what to do when a real person speaks to you rather than sitting back passively and watching others interact on TV?

I am not saying that TV and computers are the only causes, but simply making a massive contribution to the epidemic. The increasing numbers of autism really coincide with the first generation that grew up with cable television in America.


Well when I was a kid my mom would not even let me play video games and my t.v time was quite limited.....first computer at my house had no internet so I could only use it for school work that's when I was like 11 and then a couple years later we got games which we were allowed to play for 45 minutes per day same with the internet when we had that. So I do not feel like the time I spent watching t.v, playing video games or being on the computer contributed to my lack of social skills.

I think being rejected by my peers and some teachers and other people at a young age had a lot to do with it though, I mean people were rather mean to me so naturally I started more or less avoiding them.....but what started the whole thing was I came off as weird due to my lack of natural social skills so that must mean genetics played a role as well.

And I do not think there is an autism epidemic, realistically its a very small percentage of the population that has any autism spectrum disorders.......depression and anxiety are much more common.


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13 Dec 2011, 11:35 am

I'm not sure how you think TV/computers/etc can cause something that people are showing symptoms of before the large exposure to them that you're mentioning.



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13 Dec 2011, 11:55 am

When I was a little kid in the late 80's and ezrly 90's we didn't have computers with internet, or cell phones, or cable television. So I played my Atari 2600 and NES, and read big medical textbooks. I also went outside to play with the other kids at the apartment complex, but I also played by myself. I had something called an imagination. So no, TV and computers do not cause autism.



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13 Dec 2011, 12:04 pm

No, it doesn't.

I don't see why you mentioned an epidemic. You also seem rather fixated on cable TV, which large parts of the world still do not have.

I'm not sure I'd go with this idea that people in the past were more articulate and that we are slowly and inexorably in terminal literary decline. The bulk of the evidence from the past is from writers, so it stands to reason that what we have won't be representative of the general population.



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13 Dec 2011, 12:19 pm

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No, television, computers, and the internet do not cause autism.

It's kind of funny you mention "before cable, the internet, and video games" as when I was growing up in the 70s I didn't have any of these things and I spent as much time as possible off by myself reading books. Obviously, one person isn't a statistic, but I'm certainly not the only person of my generation on this forum, or older, who grew up before these things were commonplace, or during the time they became commonplace.

There is no evidence that the occurrence of autism in the population is increasing. What has happened is that more people are being diagnosed because the number of people considered autistic has expanded.

I also would not assume that people 100 years ago were so much more articulate and better at self-expression than we are today. Not that there are not always people who are more articulate and better at expression than others of their generation, but if you look at the most articulate writers of the period and compare them to an entire generation today, you're going to come to a false conclusion - that people were better with language then than they are now. It is simply likely that you're working with a very selective sampling.


There is nothing I could add to the above. Perfectly expressed.


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13 Dec 2011, 1:01 pm

In a word: No. Autism and AS are hereditary neurological disorders, they vary in severity but and I've not heard of strong AS or weak AS genes. All I can say is that society has matured in a way that is at least a little more tolerant of different people(not to the point that we're treated equally by all but y'know, progress) I mean...I think we would have been burnt at the stake in the middle ages, perhaps there was some sort of catapult involved too? Anyway, things have gotten a lot better and the AS gene may be getting around a lot more and, as much as it pains me to say it, it might be because of the bloody anthropologists.



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13 Dec 2011, 5:55 pm

Ohiophile, I can't say you're wrong since the etiology of ASD's is still undetermined. But my guess is that TV has nothing to do with it. Here are a few thoughts on your query:

First, other than a handful of documentaries, TV is all about fictitious social interactions. For example, where I'm from, many men will tell you their ideas of what it means to be a man came from watching John Wayne. By the same token, TV shows are only popular if they have social resonance--if they speak somehow to the human condition at a particular time and place.

Second, TV is causing all manner of social problems, particularly with respect to what cultural anthropologists call comity ways. We no longer see ourselves as a single society the way we did until fairly recently. But TV is a symptom of our social ills rather than the cause.

Third, if TV is causing problems, it's because it offers no challenge. I haven't had a TV in twenty years. If I were to sit down with somebody who watches TV every waking minute, they wouldn't get anything more out of the next program than I would. TV is almost unique in that no matter how much of it you do, you never get any better at it. Watching TV is effortless, and the results are commensurate. We only improve when we challenge ourselves.



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13 Dec 2011, 6:09 pm

If anything, I would think that autism was more prevalent 150 years ago than it is today. Before the "industrial revolution," there was more demand for people with detailed craft skills liek cobbling, smithy, weaving and hand sewing ... repetitive work that required a higher degree of tactile and visual thinking than the management and service jobs that western economy offers today. Add arranged marraiges to that, and Spectrumeters would've had a much greater chance at reproducing.


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13 Dec 2011, 7:04 pm

My social issues were worse because I used to imitate & quote things from TV shows like Beavis & ButtHead & Ren & Stimpy


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13 Dec 2011, 10:50 pm

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It's my theory that TV causes ADD/ADHD, not autism.
The fast paced media based culture of ours breeds very low attention spans.
If you think that TV causes ADHD, how about video games? Video games are way faster than TV. No, TV doesn't cause ADHD. That's like saying that video games are what causes people to be violent. If it's true, why hasn't everyone who's played Grand Theft Auto gone on a killing spree, killed tthe strippers and hoes they didn't wanna pay for sex, then killed the police who tried to arrest them?



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13 Dec 2011, 10:53 pm

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My social issues were worse because I used to imitate & quote things from TV shows like Beavis & ButtHead & Ren & Stimpy
Speaking of Beavis & Butt-Head, have you seen the new episodes that started airing a few months ago? Funny as ever.



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13 Dec 2011, 11:05 pm

I think that perhaps because all communication on the Internet is verbal, more people seem like they have Asperger's, because the playing field is level in the way that "neurotypicals" cannot decipher nonverbal communication clues either simply because they do not exist.

As for TV, I can't be sure, as I haven't really watched TV since I was 12 years old.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:48 am

I think you all are misunderstanding my post. I am not saying that television is the cause of autism but rather a possible contributing factor because it prevents socialization within the home. I am saying that just like there were people who were out of shape and overweight before there were Twinkies and Nintendo, there were people who were autistic before we had the average American spending hours in front of the Television and on the internet. However, this new way of life may be contributing to an increase in both of these. Just like some people can eat unhealthy food and never get fat and be athletic, some people can not socialize very much (watch lots of TV and spend time playing video games) and still be very socially adept. However, if everyone becomes more sedentary and eats junk food people who are not as naturally athletic and skinny will become overweight and out of shape. Same with autism is my hypothesis. If society in general is engaging is less direct, face to face interaction due to a number of factors (parents are too busy working to engage their children socially, TV/Video games/computer is always on, etc...) some people are going to be dramatically effected.

So I am saying there IS a genetic component, however epigenetics (environment) is tipping far more people across the line from ordinary social difficulty to disorder.



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14 Dec 2011, 1:21 am

You don't have a hypothesis, you have a theory, the difference between the two being that the first one is an "educated guess," and your guess is, er, not very educated.

As far as it goes, epigenetic influence on the manifestation of autism likely occurs pre-partum. It is unlikely that the factors you list are sufficient to prompt an autistic manifestation - which is derived from how the brain develops at an extremely early age - at the kind of age that children are likely to spend all their time on the internet or playing videogames.

One thing about what you're describing is that we already know what happens to children whose parents don't interact with them - they often develop attachment issues, not autism. There is no evidence that such a thing has any bearing on autism and your theory was originally presented (sans internet, TV, and video games) in the 1950s as the "refrigerator mother" theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator_mother_theory

It was long ago thoroughly debunked. Upbringing has no known measurable impact on whether a child is autistic or not, although upbringing can impact how well children cope with being autistic.



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14 Dec 2011, 1:59 am

^^^^ First of all a theory is "a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena" according to dictionary.com. A hypothesis is a proposition or guess that you want to test to form a theory, so the term hypothesis is correct in this instance. It appears that you are the one who is not very educated.

Secondly, this is not the refrigerator mother theory because I am not saying that mean or abusive parents cause autism. I am saying that people need PRACTICE to develop any SKILL. Socializing and the ability to relate to others is something that takes practice; more for some than for others (in autism MUCH more). There are a number of environmental factors that exist in the modern world that make people socialize less than they used to in person, hence the rise in people with extreme difficulty socializing.

Here is a link:
TV might cause autism

In fact the article DOES mention that early environment can effect brain development. I'm not saying that these environmental factors can make someone who would otherwise be extremely outgoing and social autistic. I'm saying that they are making someone who would be just social enough to get by not quite social enough to get by and considered autistic.