Feeling creeped out by "friendly" people

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16 Dec 2011, 9:31 pm

What she did was not correct. You had every right to state your limits and she shouldn't act offended. If it were the other way around and a female didn't like what you were doing or being overly touchy, wouldn't that be considered harassment?



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16 Dec 2011, 10:26 pm

The situation was muddled because it was a women only environment - a music festival - in which I eventually heard, more than once, that there was denial that women sometimes do to each other the same things men do to women. I wasn't the only one affected, though I'm the only one who had that problem with that particular woman. But really, when I was at a friend's house, and it was his mother trying to touch my hair, it was the same issue of not wanting to be touched by someone who seemed to think her interest in doing so should supersede my opposition to it. The reason behind her interest was simply different.

I do believe you're right, however, that the reaction would be quite different if I were the one insisting on touching an unwilling person, whatever the reason. The difference comes, I think, from status. I'm not anybody's sweet old or well respected mother, nor am I in a position of authority or prestige that would make me be believed about my innocence, make someone who complained look like they were making it up or blowing things out of proportion for some reason, intimidate anyone into keeping silent, or make some hierarchy have an interest in protecting me (because of their reputation or because I had friends in high places).

Being gay, and having been out since a time when it was acceptable to think gay = child molester, I'm particularly sensitive about respecting other people's personal space and body rights. But I would want to do that anyway, just because I know how enduring something unwanted feels.


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16 Dec 2011, 10:37 pm

It depends on why they are being friendly. If it's to gain my confidence so they can pull something then I can do without their friendliness. One thing I dislike more than friendliness is rudeness so I would rather people be nice and smiley than rude.

Michelle Duggar smiles and appears overly happy all the time because some Christian sects believe something in Bible about being a Christian means having a joyous heart all the time. She is a devout Christian. Such believers believe if you are a true Christian and believe in God's will and Jesus coming to earth to redeem humanity then you are always happy and never sorrowful or sad.



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16 Dec 2011, 10:42 pm

Personally, the reason I dislike overly friendly people is because they always want to talk and touch, not necessarily in a sexual way. They get right up in my face, look at me, ask me questions, and often touch my arm or some part of me. Just because some people like that I think friendly people assume everybody likes that.



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16 Dec 2011, 10:51 pm

Every time I think of the overly kind, touch-your-shoulder-or-thigh, gently smiling person, I think of middle-aged old men who are child rapists. Sort of like some of the men on the show "To Catch A Predator".



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17 Dec 2011, 12:31 am

It's not the friendly people who creep me out. It's the people who are nasty and unfriendly who give me the creeps.


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17 Dec 2011, 1:01 am

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Women have more chances of this happening than men. It's called frenemies.

Women were taught to be subtle and how to feign niceness in front of those whom you can later coax into not liking this person you don't like.

They talk and talk, sound believable but it's real rooted problem is insecurity and fear of the unknown sometimes mixed with a lack of tolerance towards certain kinds of people. Control issues as well.


Yep. "Nice" women give me the creeps.



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17 Dec 2011, 6:25 am

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readingbetweenlines, I'm fine with random acts of kindness, and I try to do them, as well. I generally get good reactions when I do. I only want to point out that that's not what I meant to describe here. Even if someone means well, some people's personalities are just really big, and their displays of friendliness are, too. If something is too much for me, it's too much. I don't expect people to know it in advance, but I do hope for them to ease up if I clue them in. That's totally aside from dealing with those people who are fake and sneaky, which I agree is also a problem.

The touching thing is, for me, much as it is with cats. I like it to be my idea, so I can decide if I'm comfortable or not and act accordingly. It's my body, so I should get to decide what happens to it. If being touched makes me uncomfortable and not being allowed to touch me makes someone else uncomfortable, the situation should go in my favor, because it's my body. I once volunteered somewhere where the situation was really pronounced. Someone kept wanting to hug me and kiss me on the face and on the hand. I tried to be polite about how I explained that I didn't want her to keep doing that, and she answered back by warning me some people would be offended by being told that. She seemed offended herself. I tried to smooth things over by ignoring the fact that she seemed offended and telling her I was glad she wasn't like that. I was hoping to convey the idea that being offended might be inappropriate. It seemed to work, because she indicated she agreed she wasn't like that and backed off.

I really don't care to have someone try to shame me for making my comfort level clear. I'm not mean about how I do it. I wouldn't make someone else endure letting me in their comfort zone just because I decided I wanted to be there. Wanting to do a thing doesn't give a person the right. I just want that same level of respect from others that I would give to them.


I agree although every situation is different and I thought the original example involved someone touching the poster after only just being told they are autistic. At that stage it is probably too much to assume that it's common knowledge that people with ASDs often have issues around their personal space.

It unfortunately puts you in a position of always having to explain yourself, and I agree once you have explained yourself then your wishes ought to be respected.

I get the sense from other threads that if relationships move further towards friendship etc it may be possible for at least some people with ASDs to tolerate hugs or similar on a case by case basis if they are agreed in advance/permission is sought as it were, and does not come as a surprise.

I also agree there are people out there whose personalities are so all encompassing there is simply no room for the finer points of personal space issues. NTs can be at the receiving end of this too but I'm now wondering whether as an NT, even if it creeps me out momentarily -which it does ! - (at the time it is happening) it is easier for me to shake it off afterwards? I just don't know.


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17 Dec 2011, 6:31 am

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Smiles like this often

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This face reminds me of:

''Now we will give you this itsy bitsy shot, it won't hurt a bit and it will make you flyyyy''
I can imagine that face coming closer and closer and myself becoming smaller and smaller :D



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17 Dec 2011, 6:39 am

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Creepy smiley people who call you "sweetie" and shriek in your face at random times. I've been known to take an embarassingly startled step back when a cheerleader-type girl shrieked in joy right in my face in high school.
edit: oh wow sorry about the size of the pic...... it's even creepier distorted this way......



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17 Dec 2011, 7:27 am

I'm afraid :? They look like clowns. But clowns are less creepier, cuz we know they are clowns :lol:


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17 Dec 2011, 7:56 am

one thing i have noticed to be a good indicator of true character is stroking people the wrong way. Everyone will be ''nice'' if they get everything the way they want, but if it seems like you are working against them they will reveal their true nature if they are not the best at the act they put on. I mean the moment you make a statement that nobody else wil even though its the truth, and you tell this person so they can become better because of it. But what happens is right that second their face shifts into a total different person. Its like a stare that says i want to kill you, once i have seen such a response i know whats up. A reasonable person would consider it good feedback and not respond emotional.



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17 Dec 2011, 2:19 pm

ediself, I don't know who these people are, but the pic looks like a continuum. From left to right, they get progressively scarier. Check out the eyelashes on that last one!

readingbetweenlines, You're right that autism had already been mentioned to the lady by the OP, though I don't know what the time frame was regarding any gap between when it was mentioned and when the touch occurred. It's true that many people might not realize that autism often includes issues with being touched. Also, some may think it's just an issue of getting used to it and that they're helping by being nice people who are nice about how they do it.

I see what you're saying in your clarifying post. I wonder what the relative frequency is amongst folks on the spectrum vs. NTs in getting freaked out by over-friendliness, as opposed to intensity. I suppose some people aren't bothered by it at all. After all, NTs are not all alike. Do you think you're particularly sensitive, as NTs go?


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17 Dec 2011, 2:35 pm

Baring teeth is a sign of aggression in animals and I've never really understood why humans do it. It doesn't feel natural to me to smile showing my teeth.



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17 Dec 2011, 3:27 pm

Guilty dog

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqP_ulyeTFM[/youtube]

Angry dog

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWukihVp3fQ[/youtube]

Angry cat

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Pretending to be happy can actually make you more miserable - especially if you're a woman, according to a new study.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... rable.html



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17 Dec 2011, 5:06 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRGE46VQ ... ure=relmfu

Eye contact and smiling makes a person seem more distrustful to me. I guess I'm not truely a human. I always felt I should have been born a cat or a meerkat anyway.


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