Do female aspies have an easier life in society?

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02 Jan 2012, 9:28 pm

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Of course.
People are extra-nice to me and come up to me and hand me hundred-dollar bills, just because I am female.
I am the CEO of a major corporation. Another was more qualified, but when the selection panel saw that he was male and I was female, they decided that he should do all the work and I should get all the pay.
In school, teachers saw that I was a girl and gave me straight A+s.
No matter how rude I was to people, they just saw it as adorable girl behaviour. Now everyone puts up with all sorts of nonsense from me because they're simply dying to sleep with me. Little do they know that I am simply toying with their affections until a more alpha male comes along. I will friendzone most of them, because, as a female, all I care about is money and social status.
Should I ever be in danger of homelessness, all I need to do is bat my eyelashes at the nearest male and he will let me move into his 30-storey mansion.


Will a modest inner city 2 bed cavity brick inner city unit do :wink:


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02 Jan 2012, 10:02 pm

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and an easier life means ... less stress, less prone to getting depression etc. less affected by environmental factors on aspie traits.


Actually women in general are more prone to getting anxiety and depression. It shows statistically. As for being less affected, that varies male or female. From all the literature, females can camoflage better(I dont).

Cant we just accept that male and female aspies are affected differently because of the different societal standards. I dont think being either is easier.

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NO. the NT female world is **ALL** about socializing. a female who can't be part of that stands out more than a male does in the male world, which is more about activities. and standing out as a female is not like standing out as a male. as a female, you are more likely to be perceived as a wacko than socially troubled genius given the same behavior. if you're a socially challenged male, women will often feel sorry for you and mother you. if you're a socially challenged female, you are out of luck.


Couldn't agree more. See I dont understand how aspie females arent noticed more because the female world is indeed 90% socializing, empathy, etc. And these are the things that aspies are known not be be good at. I think a girl who doesnt act on that would stand out more. I notice it at my job, the guys can get away with being more withdrawn and emotionless. If a girl doesnt interact much, shes still expected to smile, look at least somewhat engaged, sweet, and nice.



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02 Jan 2012, 10:23 pm

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Couldn't agree more. See I dont understand how aspie females arent noticed more because the female world is indeed 90% socializing, empathy, etc. And these are the things that aspies are known not be be good at. I think a girl who doesnt act on that would stand out more. I notice it at my job, the guys can get away with being more withdrawn and emotionless. If a girl doesnt interact much, shes still expected to smile, look at least somewhat engaged, sweet, and nice.


Because girls and women who show signs of being on the spectrum are not taken as seriously as boys and men. The story that women hide it better sort of backhandedly makes it women's fault for being able to "pass" better as neurotypical.



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02 Jan 2012, 10:30 pm

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03 Jan 2012, 2:32 pm

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Couldn't agree more. See I dont understand how aspie females arent noticed more because the female world is indeed 90% socializing, empathy, etc. And these are the things that aspies are known not be be good at. I think a girl who doesnt act on that would stand out more. I notice it at my job, the guys can get away with being more withdrawn and emotionless. If a girl doesnt interact much, shes still expected to smile, look at least somewhat engaged, sweet, and nice.


Because girls and women who show signs of being on the spectrum are not taken as seriously as boys and men. The story that women hide it better sort of backhandedly makes it women's fault for being able to "pass" better as neurotypical.


Maybe I'm an unusual case but I walked into see the school counselor for the 2nd time and she was all like "you have aspergers". But then I was 18. Otherwise, when I was younger I was sent in for counseling, around eight but they didn't catch aspergers. I always thought it was cause Aspergers wasn't very known about? I dont really know, perhaps if I was growing up now, they would have caught it.



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03 Jan 2012, 3:11 pm

As a female, it's been easier for me as a woman. Getting men online was a lot easier because I was a woman and lot of men were interested in me. That was how I met my husband.

I have been treated with kids gloves and seen as cute.

Plus most men I met seemed to have accepted me.

Oh yeah I don't follow the female norm and I still don't get crap for it. I wear no make up, I don't style my hair, I don't keep up with fashion, I did not hang around with other teens as one doing gossip and talking about other guys and how cute they are,



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03 Jan 2012, 5:23 pm

There are advantages and disadvantages to being a female when it comes to being an aspie. It's not so simple as 'its always easier to be female' or 'its always easier to be male'.

Females are more likely to get away with being childish and it being 'cute'.

On the other hand, females are more likely to be taken advantage of and end up abused.
(Of course both of those can also be true for males, just more likely for females)

It's not just easier or harder for us.



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03 Jan 2012, 5:35 pm

Given the type of environment and the people around us, it would be both difficult to be male or female with an autism spectrum disorder. Life is a little easier for me because of the people I'm surrounded with. One, no one is defined by a label which took me a very long time to deal with but as long as I know what I have I'm fine. Nobody is forcing me into anything. They might ask me to be more social and I do try but I know I have my limits. It's just easier living here because I don't have that kind of pressure where people are forcing me to be more like them.
3 months ago it was a different story. And they'll be times when people think I'm weird and should be more like them.

On the plus side my adaptability and mimicry skills help me cope and that's something not always seen in males, then again my type of autism may be very different from a lot of peoples.


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03 Jan 2012, 7:34 pm

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Couldn't agree more. See I dont understand how aspie females arent noticed more because the female world is indeed 90% socializing, empathy, etc. And these are the things that aspies are known not be be good at. I think a girl who doesnt act on that would stand out more. I notice it at my job, the guys can get away with being more withdrawn and emotionless. If a girl doesnt interact much, shes still expected to smile, look at least somewhat engaged, sweet, and nice.


Because girls and women who show signs of being on the spectrum are not taken as seriously as boys and men. The story that women hide it better sort of backhandedly makes it women's fault for being able to "pass" better as neurotypical.


Maybe I'm an unusual case but I walked into see the school counselor for the 2nd time and she was all like "you have aspergers". But then I was 18. Otherwise, when I was younger I was sent in for counseling, around eight but they didn't catch aspergers. I always thought it was cause Aspergers wasn't very known about? I dont really know, perhaps if I was growing up now, they would have caught it.


I got diagnosed fairly quickly too, once I was looking for a diagnosis.

This is what I'm referring to:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 101332.htm



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03 Jan 2012, 7:39 pm

Females have a little more expected of them socialising-wise, but I'd rather be a female aspie then a male one since I think females arn't expected to become independent as quickly. In a word I think their is less expected in the "important areas" for women - job, housing, dating.


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03 Jan 2012, 8:03 pm

Yes , all women need to is look good and try not to be to expensive as hard as it sounds , how is a man supposed to respect you if all you do is take ,take and take some more .

That is all.

PS I forgot try not to nag to.


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03 Jan 2012, 8:07 pm

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Yes , all women need to is look good and try not to be to expensive as hard as it sounds , how is a man supposed to respect you if all you do is take ,take and take some more .

That is all.

PS I forgot try not to nag to.


You have no idea what you're talking about.

Phonic's wrong, too.



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03 Jan 2012, 8:14 pm

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Phonic's wrong, too.


Are areas of housing, job and pursuing a relationship not often left to the man? Is more not expected of men in the areas of life that are least trivial?

I'm not saying that's a good thing.


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03 Jan 2012, 8:34 pm

Hey, I just have a theory here, but it seems like a lot of the female ASers tend to be able to pass as sorta normal if they take up an odd individual sport sometime in their life and stick with it. I mean for example, for a female to like, become an Olympic weightlifter or something, you know? Some kinda weird sport like that. I don't think too many normal girls do such things, and it takes incredible drive to do it, and a lot of "obsession" with it.

Just a thought.



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03 Jan 2012, 8:36 pm

Phonic wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Phonic's wrong, too.


Are areas of housing, job and pursuing a relationship not often left to the man? Is more not expected of men in the areas of life that are least trivial?

I'm not saying that's a good thing.


I didn't say whether or not you said it was a good thing, but your perspective is skewed.

These things are intended to prevent women from being independent. Finding a job was out of the question because women were expected to manage a full time job in maintaining the household. And these days, it's not true - these days a lot of women have to find full time work along with their partners, and are often still expected to maintain the household (housecleaning, childcare, shopping, cooking, etc). And that's on top of the wage gap in which women do the same or more work for less pay than men.

Being a stay at home housewife is not "easy," and not necessarily easier than anything else. Being a working housewife is much more common these days and even more difficult. I'm not saying that men don't do any of these things either, but the weight of expectations is typically on women.

Being sought in relationships rather than seeking them (although this isn't true, either - the expectation may be there but women do actively seek relationships. Even if they're trying to attract a man they're putting a lot of work into it) is not the easy way out. For some reason, guys think all women have to do is look pretty and wait for a guy to ask them out, and then it's all yay relationship or whatever, but it's actually a lot of work for both participants. When you get to autistic women, you get into: Do these women know how to tell that someone is interested in them? Do they care? Do they know how to maintain a relationship one starts because more is often expected of women once the relationship starts?

That's just relationships at any rate. Your perspective on what is expected from women is very limited, and it's interesting that when discussing whether it's easier or harder for women, you focus entirely on relationships. Plus, you completely ignore sexism, which has a more profound impact on women in many (if not all) aspects of life, and sexism doesn't simply disappear when one is disabled.

The perspective that relative difficulties between genders can be summed up in terms of relationship expectations is not an informed perspective. It's also a perspective I can't relate to at all. If my greatest difficulties were finding a relationship, I'd probably be much more capable than I am now.

Also, regarding relationships, you're ignoring lesbians and asexuals - the former only date other women, and the later often don't date anyone.



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03 Jan 2012, 8:41 pm

Verdandi wrote:
aussiebloke wrote:
Yes , all women need to is look good and try not to be to expensive as hard as it sounds , how is a man supposed to respect you if all you do is take ,take and take some more .

That is all.

PS I forgot try not to nag to.


You have no idea what you're talking about.

Phonic's wrong, too.


Bit hard to be educated if you've spent your schooling being humiliated/beaten /spent most of your life suffering the effects of un DX brain injury

But thanks for the constructive criticism.


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