People on wrongplanet are limiting my free speech.

Post Reply New Topic

Atheist meaning no creator? Hmmn I guess I'm the same because I believe no conciousness would have chose this flow, though infinity, and many things I find are beyond my comprehension, what is called god is among us, beyond us, and within us..

I don't think we need to divide, perverted comments can go in the adults section, maybe at the VERY WORST, an extra large warning on the sextion (typo? hahah) letting people know graphic comments could be present in this section alone?

In particular the words jeez darn and pee... How do they offend you?

Exclamations in anger and one to describe urine, the body isn't gross, our bodily wastes are not gross, but must be released. Just like our minds are dirty, and must be enjoyed in all aspects for purity to be real in itself.

You can not turn this forum into a christian censorship, I should be able to even say my opinion any way possible, with obvious concessions made if someone is offended.

You can not be offended by someones differing beliefs, that is NOTHING TO DO with the true message of what you are preaching anyhow, it is about acceptance, it is about love. And if it isn't WHY ISNT IT?


I can not believe that I've met so many open minded people here... You can't silence them and us for having differing opinions, all opinions should be valid... Gross stuff has limits yes, but they should be discussed calmly, not bringing your beliefs into it in such a forceful way, you're effectively saying "think my way (which doesn't involve logically thinking of creation possibilities) or go away"



Look I understand you complaining bout the words even if I don't like it, but you can not say talk about drugs, spirituality, international policy and philosophy do not belong, that is disgusting, that is the opposite of the true attitude of what a forum needs to be!

All these topics NEED to be discussed!! !!

Perhaps this thread should be brought to the attention of the mods and/or admins. It seems that none of the people who currently have that power have posted in response, so it would be fair to let them have a say in things.

Rakkety_Tamm: Can you provide a link to the threads that people were bashing you in? If you can do that, there is a better chance that the mods will be able to look at what you said and what other people said and decide to take the appropriate actions from there.

TheMachine1: A high percentage of WP is either atheist or agnostic. But please calm down. Neant was just trying to propose an idea. Maybe Alex would be willing to make most of the forums clean and keep one or two forums for the kind of talk that offends many people. The mature forum should suit people for now.

Neant: I'd also advise you to calm down, as well. This forum, as we have seen before, cannot have a Christian context. There are too many people who are not Christians (or even from a Judeo-Christian belief system) for it to work that way. Many of the mods and admins are either atheists or agnostics, as well. This forum can be run with a moral code of conduct, but it will not be run with a Judeo-Christian moral code.

To everyone else: Let's calm down and stop yelling at one another and insulting each other. That won't get us anywhere productive. If you don't like WP, no one is forcing you to stay here. Even the mods could leave if they really wanted to; they'd just have to give up their moderating position.

Hey mods, could you please keep an eye on this topic to make sure it does not get completely out of hand? Thanks.

This is precisely the sort of post this thread is trying to avoid, but I'm going with "people will be people" (and MUST be).

I'm sorry, but are you completely out of your mind??? I had long prided myself on being borderline insane, but if this is as it appears to be - insanity, I shall have to reconsider.

I actually thought you were taking the piss, then I read some of the replies and it would seem I was mistaken.

I will defend to my death your right to believe in the God who is right for you, but I will never, EVER condone what appears to be a blatant attempt to begin the conversion of this message board from much-needed haven to fanatical religious sect.

If your God is good to you, then I am glad for you; I am now too bitter, and cynical to believe in a God any more, but I was raised a Christian, and I suggest you take not of Christ's words before proposing something so fundamentally rephrehensible (on the grounds of fairness) in future: Jesus told his follwers not only to love their neighbours as themselves, but on many occasions, in parables, stories and law to respect them too. I for one have no intention of sleeping with my neighbour, his wife, his mother's aunt's third cousin fifteen times removed, his ox, or any other relative he might have at home: I also have enough respect for him to not try to tell him what the best choices are for his existence. Loving thy neighbour is incompatible with the conversionalistic evangelical attitude you seem to have shown (and if not shown, then hinted at) in your post above.

In saying this, I mean no personal attack - if anything, the point I wish to make is one of general freedom, and not a philisophical or religious argument. Many of us who come here do so because it is the one place we are able to say precisely what we feel, without having to moderate our personalities for the benefit of those who do not understand us. To take away that, would be doing a disservice, and, I believe, an un-Christian disservice to those of us who are not fortunate enough to have found a deific system compatible with the lives we wish to live.

I hope this, barring my general disbelief that you believe the idea of Christian paternalistic censorship to be acceptable, has not been a "flaming" - I merely wish to espouse the ideas of freedom which are my greatest strength, and most dearly held ideal.

On the other hand - make any attempt to convert me back to being Christian, and you'll see why Lucifer comes a poor third to myself and Adolf Hitler in the torment stakes...

I believe NeantHumain is being sarcastic. He actually hates Christians.

Actually it is a satire, which isn't as mean as sarcasm.

You've taken me the wrong way. Your proposal falls flat because you wish to divide the community when WrongPlanet.net should remain as one. It is naïve to believe someone who belongs to your (A, D) subset is incapable of joining the discussion while refraining from making the various fart jokes, sexual obscenity, and bad examples that make this place unsuitable for children younger than 21 now. Moreover, your proposal would segregate threads as the they are being made. What if someone of a looser criterion responds, and then someone of a somewhat stricter criterion responds? This second responder's criterion means someone may be able to view his comment without seeing what he was replying to. That is ludicrous (and the Slashdot way)!

I used to be naïve and idealistic like you, but then I learned the way of the WrongPlanet on their IRC channel on Freenode #wrongplanet. On #wrongplanet, you are allowed to discuss the proper brewing of tea (so long as no one, especially an operator, gets steamed!), whether you in fact have Asperger's or not, the current weather, and how long it has been taking you to recompile your Linux kernel. I found these topics boring, so I liked to bring up more interesting topics sometimes. As I said, I was young and naïve. When you stray from these safe topics, you risk offending somebody, and that's probably the very worst thing in the whole world—even worse than strangling puppies or gay marriage. If you bring up a controversial idea about the origins of autism, prepare to be banned. At first, I took the kicks and bans for some kind of immaturity on the ops' part: I imagined their hissy fits and cries of, "Stop talking about that NOW, you guys!! !! !!" to be some kind of compulsive desire to maintain absolute control over the channel as a bolster to their self-esteem.

Eventually, I learned the ops' wisdom and accepted the need for a certain stability and predictability—for the sake of the children and the easily offended. Life becomes so much more—well, worth living once you stop thinking for yourself and accept the will of arbitrary authority. You will feel a slight snap in your mind and then sense a dark haze once you perceive this truth fully. Meditation helps if you're not "getting it."

Imagine you were raised to believe these words are a great evil, a dark path toward the the man with sunglasses and a trenchcoat at the edge of the playground, an uninviting route to the reefer, a fall into the dragon's maw. Every utterence of a bad word rattles your very soul and makes you well up in tears. You feel the distinct need to say, "Ummmmmmm! I'm telling on you! You said a bad word!" Every wrong must be made right; every profanity must bring punishment to its utterer. Now, this certainly isn't me, but there's somebody out there who is just like this and doesn't want her children exposed to such nonsense. Don't you think we should show a little respect to her? She wears her heart on her sleave.

Exclamations of anger are not okay because anger itself, like so many other emotions, is immoral. Whedn we chastise you for using them, we only want you to have a more socially acceptable reaction.



What if your razzamatazz about being atheist or having some foreign-and-therefore-bad, nuanced conception of the Divine offends someone's black-and-white worldview? All I am saying is that we permit morally upstanding discussion and cleanse ourselves of the filth that has permeated the forums. You do not have to explicitly endorse Christianity; you merely must not offend a Christian's value system by stating your rejection thereof. You can still tell us what your favorite cultivar of maze is if you'd like, and that has nothing to do with Christian beliefs (so long as you don't go around making wild assertions about it being the product of some evolutionary natural process!).

There is no rule against being offended by someone's differing beliefs. Adolf Hitler's belief that the Jews should be eradicated for their genetic inferiority is a morally repulsive belief. We should only pity them for not recognizing the Messiah.

But it's for the children. Take your fanciful beliefs to your nearest ivory tower.

Frank discussion of these topics could do much to unravel what some parents have been trying to teach their children for years, and autistic children are notoriously stubborn! Have a little sympathy for the parents, who try so hard, and those who have a predisposition to taking offense; they can't help it!

Rakkety Tamm: If I remember correctly, once the knee-jerk reaction to your "In response to the immature topics" thread in the Adult section had died down, it turned into a largely constructive debate. Yagaloth and I both came up with realistic suggestions, only to be slightly confused by MrMark who said that we ought to make a proposal to the moderators, which I thought was the whole point of the topic by that stage. I'm not sure why we should have to write it all again privately when the whole debate is there for everyone to see.

This debate has already been had. Don't start it again just because not everything went your way last time.

THIS, here, of all places, is the paragon case of the naïvite you seem so keen to prove you have discarded. I respect your general good will towards others, and particularly hold respect that there are things some children are too young to see, but it must be viewed as unfortunate the day they are exposed to these things, rather than attempting to protect them forever. The most well rounded Aspies here, that I've had the pleasure of meeting, are those of my own age, and in some cases, younger, who have been exposed to the harshness of reality, and yet maintain their idealism.

I may be wrong, but your entire premise puts me in mind to believe that you have lost this idealism, by refusing principle to achieve comfort. Maybe this happens to us all, in time, but my idealism is one of the things that keeps me going. By not accepting the world as it is, I hope to make it better. If you are simply content with the world, what need or motivation have you to make it better for yourself or others?

Whilst I don't want to quote your post in entirety, and analyse each sentence, the overall attitude is not the defeatist one that you seem to accuse the idealists of, but your own. It is all well and good to accept the world and it's rules, but that merely proves one does not suffer from altered perception, or psychosis. One has to accept the world, and attempt to change it for the better, and although part of accepting the world is realising that most of the time, it cannot be changed, our strength of character comes from the belief that if we persevere, we may change it, and for the better.



Part of freedom of speech is the right to offend anyone. I will hold that right above most. If your post was indeed satirical (which to me, remains unclear), then you are execising a right, and denying it to others. This makes your argument hypocritical, and destroys its premise.

I respect your opinions, but I believe they are wholeheartedly misguided.

Bernard-Shaw put it eloquently: "Reasonable men adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable men persist in attempting to adapt the world to themselves. Therefore all progress depends on unreasonable men."

Silentbedlam....pointless to argue with Neanthumain....he does not believe what he is typing...it is satire....when you read what he is writing ,pretend you are in "backwards" world.

As to the original topic.......If you are interested in reading (Though I believe the orignal poster is just trolling to get some more attention)about the original post ....do a search on 9/11 on WP....Then feel free to weigh in if you feel like this hasnt all ready been "beaten to death"....

Maybe he could use <satire></satire> tags next time then, because it remained unclear. Probably because it wasn't that funny...

yeh I think the humour went straight over my head..

I try to respect everybody, for every differing opinion allows me to take my own further..

If someone is offended by what I say, or the words I use, I would expect them to simply tell me, and I will therefore stop..

"so long as you don't go around making wild assertions about it being the product of some evolutionary natural process"

Uhh, why can't I do this? Isn't it obvious that it IS a natural evolutionary response of conciousness to question reality, to question how we're here, to put faith in some higher power to avoid taking our own responsibility?

I don't understand how you can preach one thing, but deny something which is so obviously plausible.

edit: isn't it better to simply avoid the thread if you don't like where its going?

I'm not so unsure of myself and my understanding of the world that I need to silence anyone who criticises me.

Yeah your right. My thoughts are WP is not broke so lets not fix it.


As for as NeantHumain post. I absolutely thought he was joking in his post and was
expecting him to close his post explaining he was, but when I did not see it I assumed
he was not joking. Granted if I had read /knew NeantHumain I could have better understood him.

My point is simple I'm not serious about the breaking WP into groups either. I think
WP is fine!

I agree love it here, its the place where I can bounce ideas, and simply be myself...

Lately I've gone through a rough time, don't wanna whinge, I just mean I've gone through (as I'm sure MANY of us here have) another revealing my true self and realising that means most people don't wanna hang around phase, but at the moment I can't care, I need to be alone and get my focus back in gear..

WP helps me with this because its a place to briefly connect...

I've resonated with so many people here, its the first time in my life I've felt a form of community.

(so many I's in one post, you'd think I was egocentric! hahah)

I actually agree. it's like we don't even have mods at all, and it freaking annoying.

Pretty much true.
It may still say mod next to my name but I lost mod priveleges... jeez, back in April I think. Given the sorts of threads I've seen around here I think its safe to say that there are currently no moderators around

Perhaps after all the neocon BS people are amazed that people as dense as you still exist,i mean its not as if your being paid for it!