Why do so many people on here hate NT's?

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09 Jan 2012, 2:00 am

only those who continue the oppression of autistics

unfortunately

that is many

thanks to our illustrious leaders



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09 Jan 2012, 2:09 am

"What we have here is a failure to communicate."


No seriously. It's just a lack of understanding on both sides. And negativity is the hallmark of the Internet, anyhow. If you want to see the other side, NTs hating on Aspies, try checking out your average Delphi forum or whatever that is made to support NT spouses of AS folk. Truth be told, I've seen far nastier stuff on places like that than here.

All that said, the solution on all sides is education. More education for NTs on AS, and more education for AS folk on how to interact successfully with NTs.


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09 Jan 2012, 2:15 am

Sagroth wrote:
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."


No seriously. It's just a lack of understanding on both sides. And negativity is the hallmark of the Internet, anyhow. If you want to see the other side, NTs hating on Aspies, try checking out your average Delphi forum or whatever that is made to support NT spouses of AS folk. Truth be told, I've seen far nastier stuff on places like that than here.

All that said, the solution on all sides is education. More education for NTs on AS, and more education for AS folk on how to interact successfully with NTs.


delphi forum, is it any worse then the conquer online forum were they post racist topics and bully each other on an hourly basis, i'm not sure there isn't a topic they wouldn't whine about.

but yeah i got that getting pounced on feeling alot, where i didn't even say i have a bit of a handicap or anything it's like they can tell in my posts or how i word things that i am strange.


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09 Jan 2012, 2:20 am

Hate is such a strong word.. to me, to hate something is to want it to never have existed, or even to feel gratuitous pain/discomfort.. that's just too much for me



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09 Jan 2012, 2:35 am

One is able to change "hate" to more positive emotions though, especially with education, evidence and understanding.

However, some people have probably had it too hard to feel anything else for "people" as a whole.



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09 Jan 2012, 2:36 am

Jetfox wrote:
Sagroth wrote:
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."


No seriously. It's just a lack of understanding on both sides. And negativity is the hallmark of the Internet, anyhow. If you want to see the other side, NTs hating on Aspies, try checking out your average Delphi forum or whatever that is made to support NT spouses of AS folk. Truth be told, I've seen far nastier stuff on places like that than here.

All that said, the solution on all sides is education. More education for NTs on AS, and more education for AS folk on how to interact successfully with NTs.


delphi forum, is it any worse then the conquer online forum were they post racist topics and bully each other on an hourly basis, i'm not sure there isn't a topic they wouldn't whine about.

but yeah i got that getting pounced on feeling alot, where i didn't even say i have a bit of a handicap or anything it's like they can tell in my posts or how i word things that i am strange.


Well, what I'm referring to is a support group for NT spouses married to AS folk. What it had turned into was essentially nonstop demonization of AS people as horrible spouses, parents, people, etc. I could understand the why of it to a degree: a lot of these folk were in bad marriages and going through hell and thus very bitter. I stumbled upon it and others like it trying to find a site with tips on dealing with AS issues in marriage( my wife and I are doing well together, but I'm always up for finding ways to improve things).

Truthfully, even if this forum did nothing but hate on NTs, I think it'd still be dwarfed by the amount of forums/posters on the opposite end of the spectrum, simply because there's a larger population of angry/upset NTs who have relationships with AS people than there are AS folk willing to post on a message board.


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09 Jan 2012, 3:08 am

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I will say this: I have noticed since I started posting here, that I can spot the NT's posts a mile away. There is this weird, rambling, overly emotional quality to the way most of them post. It reads almost like a foreign language. Every time I see one of those, and I check, sure enough it is an NT post.

Same (again).
I don't "hate" NTs, but they are different and interactions with them are generally far from instinctive, everything has to be calculated to the milimeter, and then they go off and break their own rules, somehow it then becomes acceptable, they're just a bit difficult to understand.
You give a reasoned argument that took you a long time to come up with, using facts, proof and numbers, and they swish it off the table with a "I don't feel that way about this issue, I'm sorry you do".
They reason with gut feelings.
I don't hate them, but their unpredictability is unsettling and it's hard not to get irritated at times, especially when they have some power over your life.



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09 Jan 2012, 4:25 am

I don't hate them. In fact those people are in the minority but it seems like a lot because bad things stand out more. NT bashing happens because most of us have faced bullying, discrimination, being misunderstood, having all these rules and double standards so it will make some of us hate and I doubt they hate all NTs because I am sure they know some NTs who are good and accepts them.

I find NT hate stupid because I have seen aspies being just as bad as an NT and some of them have even given me the same crap NTs have given me. Things some aspies associate with NTs has nothing to do with being an NT.



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09 Jan 2012, 4:55 am

ediself wrote:
Same (again).
I don't "hate" NTs, but they are different and interactions with them are generally far from instinctive, everything has to be calculated to the milimeter, and then they go off and break their own rules, somehow it then becomes acceptable, they're just a bit difficult to understand.
You give a reasoned argument that took you a long time to come up with, using facts, proof and numbers, and they swish it off the table with a "I don't feel that way about this issue, I'm sorry you do".
They reason with gut feelings.
I don't hate them, but their unpredictability is unsettling and it's hard not to get irritated at times, especially when they have some power over your life.


This and a conversation I had earlier makes me want to do research on cognitive differences.

Just going to agree with everything League_Girl said.



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09 Jan 2012, 5:44 am

I'm an NT and I am amused by this cartoonish vision of society that the "haters" have.

I suspect it's correlative with the blight of my generation's more intellectual half: misantropy

Certainly some of the better educated aspies here do not consider me an NT: I'm more unusual then many of you in some way, in other ways I'm pretty alien to most "NT"s, but I am NT in areas that are important, the art of social interaction, though I disregard it's rules almost entirely and in end the end come off as being autistic, it's a choice however.

But I disgress, any statement about NT's is not a state about boorish, shallow, superficial thugs -as much as the poster wishs it were - it is a statement about almost every human who has ever lived, both your heroes and your villians.

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I have noticed since I started posting here, that I can spot the NT's posts a mile away. There is this weird, rambling, overly emotional quality to the way most of them post. It reads almost like a foreign language. Every time I see one of those, and I check, sure enough it is an NT post.


Interesting reasoning, since that would mean that any post that isn't weird, rambling and overly emotional (like mine) must not be by an NT, and it's not like a flaunt it.

The reason certain posters and people don't consider me a true NT is because I have a somewhat quasi schizophrenia and I have bipolar disorder.

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09 Jan 2012, 5:50 am

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Interesting reasoning, since that would mean that any post that isn't weird, rambling and overly emotional (like mine) must not be by an NT, and it's not like a flaunt it.


Actually, you are a prime example of what I was talking about. The first time I noticed you here, you made a reply to one of my posts that was strangely overreactive.



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09 Jan 2012, 5:51 am

dianthus wrote:
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Interesting reasoning, since that would mean that any post that isn't weird, rambling and overly emotional (like mine) must not be by an NT, and it's not like a flaunt it.


Actually, you are a prime example of what I was talking about. The first time I noticed you here, you made a reply to one of my posts that was strangely overreactive.


Did I call you an idiot? I do that, it's sort of my thing.

Anyhoo, not all autistics are INTJs.


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09 Jan 2012, 6:00 am

Phonic wrote:
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Interesting reasoning, since that would mean that any post that isn't weird, rambling and overly emotional (like mine) must not be by an NT, and it's not like a flaunt it.


Actually, you are a prime example of what I was talking about. The first time I noticed you here, you made a reply to one of my posts that was strangely overreactive.


Did I call you an idiot? I do that, it's sort of my thing.

Anyhoo, not all autistics are INTJs.


Agreed, and on another note, we're not morally superior, never lying, never deceiving, upstanding citizens of society either. Some of us lie, cheat, manipulate and steal too. Also some of us are capable of satire, sarcasm and emotionally laden responses too. That irks me a bit but because, as an HFA who can BS and be cunning like you wouldn't believe for my own amusement, that 'stereotype' is not universally true. :lol:


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09 Jan 2012, 6:05 am

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Did I call you an idiot? I do that, it's sort of my thing.


No, you didn't call me an idiot. I said I believe in the paranormal and you went apeshit over it.



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09 Jan 2012, 6:11 am

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Did I call you an idiot? I do that, it's sort of my thing.


No, you didn't call me an idiot. I said I believe in the paranormal and you went apeshit over it.


I remember this now: some guy with an autistic son or daughter was freaked out by his kid being afraid for no apperent reason - really seriously scared - and a couple of people on this forum (perhaps you?) planted the idea in his head that this kid might be seeing dead people, and this father actually spent money getting a psychic in to do something, yeah I was pissed off - I thought this was a stupid gullible dad doing a stupid gullible thing when there was clearly something psychologically up with his kid and a couple of people on this forum had him look into the paranormal.

It was potentially dangerous advice and I was very upset by it, and I was not the only one.

Phonic.


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09 Jan 2012, 6:13 am

Yep, Aspies and NTs have just as much variety in personality types and moral level. We're all saints and devils, loners and lovers. It's just always easier to demonize the "other".


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