what is the main thing that segregates aspies?

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13 Jan 2012, 4:26 pm

DJFester wrote:
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Esoteric interests and (lack of) communication skills, in my opinion.


Seconded.


Thirded, depending on what is meant by "(lack of) communication skills."


I would say that Aspies are segregated because of

"Rigidly focused esoteric interests and the inability to understand social cues and actively negotiate NT social bonding rituals."



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13 Jan 2012, 4:36 pm

GuyTypingOnComputer wrote:
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Esoteric interests and (lack of) communication skills, in my opinion.


Seconded.


Thirded


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13 Jan 2012, 4:39 pm

I even wonder how I didn't have many friends in school, because I didn't have any special interests until I was 12, and when I was younger than 12 I always kept up with the latest craze what the rest of the kids were into, and I also never lacked social imagination, so I was able to get along fine when joining in other games with other kids, and I never wanted to be on my own in the playground.

Maybe it was because the boys always saw me as very shy and quiet and so couldn't be bothered with even getting to know me, (especially when they got to the age where boys seemed to stick to boys and girls seemed to stick to girls, and girls and boys looked upon eachother as ''gross''. This happened between the ages of 8 and 10 in my school, then things started to change once puberty kicked in). And the other girls did accept me a little, but I wasn't ever that popular or as accepted as other shy girls were, and they also looked upon me as ''the ret*d one''. I wasn't ret*d, but I was slightly underaverage with my learning in every subject, and required special help with teacher's assistants, so I was normally put on the special ed table with 4 or 5 other kids from the class who had learning difficulties - which all seemed to be boys and one of them was a girl. But even she was more socially accepted by the other girls than I ever was, and I always thought this girl was a bit strange. She didn't have AS or anything, but she was very, very slow with her learning, and was sometimes in a world of her own.
But still, she was more socially accepted than I ever was.

It's not fair. No wonder I have such low self-esteem as an adult.


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13 Jan 2012, 4:47 pm

esoteric

adjective
1.
understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest; recondite: poetry full of esoteric allusions.
2.
belonging to the select few.
3.
private; secret; confidential.
4.
(of a philosophical doctrine or the like) intended to be revealed only to the initiates of a group: the esoteric doctrines of Pythagoras.
Origin:
1645–55; < Greek esōterikós inner, equivalent to esṓter ( os ) inner + -ikos -ic

Can be confused:  esoteric, exoteric.

Synonyms
1. abstruse, arcane, cryptic, enigmatic.


fifthed, thats just aspies to a tee for sure



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13 Jan 2012, 4:54 pm

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I don't agree that the main problem is not having appropriate social skills, simply because I have them and likewise with confidence. (although you certainly have a point with esoteric interests and forbidden knowledge!)

You see, the thing is that socials skills come in all shapes and sizes. I couldn't get along with people my age, simply because I couldn't possibly deal with partying and going out and getting drunk as a form of entertainment and i'm not immature enough to fit in with them in the first place. I don't even bother trying these days.

However, I can and do get along pretty well with older people. My working relationships are frankly better than virtually any NT's and I can get along perfectly well with the people down at the shooting club, and I guess i'm friends with a chap from a previous workplace. He's got a little sailing yacht which requires two people to sail properly and one of my interests (obsessions, maybe?) is naval history, and I didn't learn tens of thousands of years of history without learning the important theoretical basics of sailing. His partner hates sailing, and the yacht by extension, which means we go sailing and meet up with people at a pub and defrost afterwards when the weather suits. It's not done for the last month, obviously!

Now, I can deal with that. Yet, I do not have a group I would define as "friends". I would say that at a very basic level, I am not interested in socialising. A good long introspective look at my entire life suggests to me that all of my friendships have been basically based around common interests. When one of us has given up on those interests, I have failed to keep in touch with them.

In turn I shall now await someone shooting my theory to bits with their life experience with great interest. :)


I get you. We are different because we are naturally inclined away from Nt social mores

I feel the same. I have better things to do than stand around smiling and gossiping.

I'm autistic and prefer more intelligent people, maybe into science's, old and new, or my sport



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13 Jan 2012, 4:54 pm

In terms of socialization, I would say lack of automatic social processing and generating of social behaviors. Everything that I do has to be thought about. Can't do it without thinking about it.



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13 Jan 2012, 5:56 pm

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Let me add, inability to form connections. I find that sometimes, NTs really dont care about whats coming out of your mouth as long there's a connection. I've had some conversations with NTs at work that went fine cause the body language and everything else was there, even if some of the verbal content was misintrepretted or did not come out correctly.

NTs can joke around and say dumb things, it depends on the way you say it. Cause if the same verbal message gets said in a way that doesn't flow with its surroundings, then thats when NTs don't accept it.

I have the ability to form connections and I'm an aspie.
The correct answer is social misunderstanding.
Some of the apies on this forum segregate NTs and maybe this is why they are unable to form connections. There are too many posts where aspies seem to treat NTs as inferiors or monsters.


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13 Jan 2012, 7:00 pm

artrat wrote:
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Let me add, inability to form connections. I find that sometimes, NTs really dont care about whats coming out of your mouth as long there's a connection. I've had some conversations with NTs at work that went fine cause the body language and everything else was there, even if some of the verbal content was misintrepretted or did not come out correctly.

NTs can joke around and say dumb things, it depends on the way you say it. Cause if the same verbal message gets said in a way that doesn't flow with its surroundings, then thats when NTs don't accept it.

I have the ability to form connections and I'm an aspie.
The correct answer is social misunderstanding.
Some of the apies on this forum segregate NTs and maybe this is why they are unable to form connections. There are too many posts where aspies seem to treat NTs as inferiors or monsters.


The "taste of your own medicine" tactic...

... interesting.


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15 Jan 2012, 1:03 pm

awkwardness, social communication weakness, and (especially) just weirdness in general.


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15 Jan 2012, 4:02 pm

Self absorption.

We are "stuck in ourselves" and need to be punished for this apparently.



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15 Jan 2012, 9:46 pm

Peter_L wrote:
I don't agree that the main problem is not having appropriate social skills, simply because I have them and likewise with confidence. (although you certainly have a point with esoteric interests and forbidden knowledge!)

You see, the thing is that socials skills come in all shapes and sizes. I couldn't get along with people my age, simply because I couldn't possibly deal with partying and going out and getting drunk as a form of entertainment and i'm not immature enough to fit in with them in the first place. I don't even bother trying these days.

However, I can and do get along pretty well with older people. My working relationships are frankly better than virtually any NT's and I can get along perfectly well with the people down at the shooting club, and I guess i'm friends with a chap from a previous workplace. He's got a little sailing yacht which requires two people to sail properly and one of my interests (obsessions, maybe?) is naval history, and I didn't learn tens of thousands of years of history without learning the important theoretical basics of sailing. His partner hates sailing, and the yacht by extension, which means we go sailing and meet up with people at a pub and defrost afterwards when the weather suits. It's not done for the last month, obviously!

Now, I can deal with that. Yet, I do not have a group I would define as "friends". I would say that at a very basic level, I am not interested in socialising. A good long introspective look at my entire life suggests to me that all of my friendships have been basically based around common interests. When one of us has given up on those interests, I have failed to keep in touch with them.

In turn I shall now await someone shooting my theory to bits with their life experience with great interest. :)
I agree with your post.As I have gotten older my social skills have improved and I get along very well with everyone at work but I think I do fail to form deeper connections with many people because I don't have the desire to make small talk and my interests are different .



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15 Jan 2012, 9:56 pm

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what is the main thing that is preventing aspies from making true friends and being treated fairly. i always see NT people very happy and cheerful and i always feel so sad. i always try to blend in but others don't see it. neurotypical people can make mistakes and make people get over it very fast whereas aspies like me are not able to do so. neurotypical people can do wierd or silly stuff without getting picked upon. why is it that neurotypicals can be significantly different from others yet not bullied or picked upon whereas aspies like me who try to act like everyone else can't get acceptance from others. i have an aspie score of 137


1. Bullying is a huge problem for many places
2. A small fraction of bullying victims are autistic
3. Bullying primarily happens to those who are different, but most are not autistic and are therefor NTs.

ergo, Most bullying is done BY NTs against NTs

You are making a might big claim to say NTs who act oddly don't get picked on, and I call BS on it.


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15 Jan 2012, 10:05 pm

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what is the main thing that is preventing aspies from making true friends and being treated fairly. i always see NT people very happy and cheerful and i always feel so sad. i always try to blend in but others don't see it. neurotypical people can make mistakes and make people get over it very fast whereas aspies like me are not able to do so. neurotypical people can do wierd or silly stuff without getting picked upon. why is it that neurotypicals can be significantly different from others yet not bullied or picked upon whereas aspies like me who try to act like everyone else can't get acceptance from others. i have an aspie score of 137


In my humble opinion, too many Autistics idealize the lifestyles of NTs. The campaign against bullying did NOT begin because of concern over the difficulties of one percent of the population. Bullying is widespread and Bullies tend NOT to discriminate simply based upon a neurological predisposition. Often-times, bullies prey on those who appear different, weaker, and powerless to address physical and psychological abuse. Since, Autistics are a misunderstood minority who have more inherent social problems and medical issues compared to society at large; Autists become easier targets for bullying.

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I see two competing factors with regards to segregation: A desire to be included in certain aspects of society yet a natural instinct to reject society in it's current state. The answer to your question lies in the statement highlighted above. Unless, you truly have good to academy award winning acting skills; people can sense when you are pretending to be something THAT you are NOT. The result is rejection. Why? People don't take into consideration THAT you are acting to fit in or belong. They simply brand you a fake and ostracize you.

It's important to be who YOU ARE. And, LOVE THE HELL OUT OF IT, no matter what ! !

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16 Jan 2012, 9:58 am

Well for me, it would be my social skills, and the fact I don't like homosexuality.