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21 Jan 2012, 6:25 pm

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I don't know why the panic all of a sudden. I read a bunch of blogs on Tumblr and Wordpress, and almost everyone there is panicking. There are very few calm rational voices to be heard and almost no mentions of the flaws of the study. These people are just doing what the sensationalist media wants them to do.



So the media trolls people. They love to get a rise out of people so they will publish articles to get a rise out of people and they can all sit back and watch the reactions they get in the comments. :lol:


Yep! Sensation and scaremongering sell newspapers.



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21 Jan 2012, 6:28 pm

What would our society be like if psychiatry never existed.



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21 Jan 2012, 6:33 pm

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What would our society be like if psychiatry never existed.


You mean, what if medical science never helped the mentally ill?

Well I'd say we'd have an episdemic of mental illness I cannot fathom


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21 Jan 2012, 6:33 pm

It seems to be because of one scaremongering article, and people not bothering to do the research themselves.

The new criteria are not removing large portions of the spectrum, its just cleaning it up. The new criteria are specifically generic, because its cleaner, and people really don't have much to fear about it. The article doesn't even support its claims, just claims that one poorly done study contradicts what the rest of the studies have said.

One of you people who claims that you won't be on the spectrum anymore - what diagnostic criteria do you meet now and what would you meet for the DSM-5? How do you meet the criteria currently being used and not the new criteria? Have you actually looked into what they are proposing and the rational?



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21 Jan 2012, 6:47 pm

When the DSM-5 comes out, I'll still get treatment. I'll still be diagnosed as having Asperger Disorder. That won't change. Sit back, make a pot of coffee, stop worrying about whether you'll suddenly lose your autism.



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21 Jan 2012, 7:12 pm

I don't know what you guys are worried about. The assistance you get is based on level of disability not on the specific condition. If you qualify for assistance now your level of need won't change when DSM V comes out and you will still qualify. If you're really worried about it I suggest you contact the person who gave you the DX and ask how your file will be updated when the DSM V comes out. You really expect to get accurate information on a forum?

P.S. How do I turn off that "hummingbird" thing under my name? It's really annoying.



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21 Jan 2012, 7:16 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
I don't know what you guys are worried about. The assistance you get is based on level of disability not on the specific condition. If you qualify for assistance now your level of need won't change when DSM V comes out and you will still qualify. If you're really worried about it I suggest you contact the person who gave you the DX and ask how your file will be updated when the DSM V comes out. You really expect to get accurate information on a forum?

P.S. How do I turn off that "hummingbird" thing under my name? It's really annoying.


It changes on its own when you make enough posts and when you reach 1,000, you can give yourself your own custom title.



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21 Jan 2012, 7:19 pm

I think panic by definition is sudden.



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21 Jan 2012, 7:46 pm

I'd like to get diagnosed soon, simply because I'm eager to get done with it. I'm pretty certain I have Asperger's, but I don't know if I'll qualify as having ASD under the new definition. Then again, I find some of the questions on the online tests difficult to understand, so maybe I'm finding the new definition, as it's proposed to be written, hard to understand. The trouble is that I can't always wrap my mind around the things a question or piece of the definition might mean, and sometimes it's hard for me to think of examples that fall into the right category. I can't seem to realize the range of what's being referred to, for some reason. (Could this be part of what being too literal or lacking imagination mean?) For example, I didn't know I might be stimming, because I don't flap my hands, rock, or rub my hands together. Those were the examples provided, and it didn't even occur to me what else might be considered similar enough. It wasn't until I read many more examples, while reading posts here and reading books, that I realized I might be stimming by bouncing around, shaking my fists, humming repeated sets of notes, rubbing my teeth in the same spot with my tongue all the time, clenching my fists, tensing my jaw with my teeth apart in a way that makes a rumbling sound in my ears, and maybe a bunch of other stuff not springing to mind at this moment (most of these being things others either can't see or wouldn't realize were unusual because of the context in which I allow myself to do them). I also sometimes have a delay in realizing what something might mean or simply in being able to recall examples that might apply.

I think my big worries are these:

1) that I won't get another chance to get assessed;

2) that I won't understand questions, or will have delayed comprehension or memory of examples, and therefore won't be able to answer accurately;

3) that the right questions won't get asked in the first place, so that I'm sunk if I can't think of everything myself;

4) that the person assessing me will dismiss anything I bring up myself;

5) that the degree to which I experience difficulty won't be recognized or taken seriously because of the degree to which I've learned to compensate, mask, and hide so as to appear more "normal";

6) that things that might be spectrum related will be dismissed as related to other conditions, such as depression, anxiety, and even fibromyalgia (all three of these being things I've experienced, but who knows what else will get blamed if they decide to add some other diagnosis that might be really inappropriate, as I'm finding is especially common with women) or even just something like that stupid, "You're a cross-dresser, learn to change your clothes so people won't think you're weird," business all over again.

At least #3, #4, #5, and #6 have already happened the first time around. I'm not sure if #2 did. I don't know if the degree to which these types of things might derail a proper diagnosis will be greater under the new definition of ASD or not.


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22 Jan 2012, 12:07 am

MindWithoutWalls wrote:
I'd like to get diagnosed soon, simply because I'm eager to get done with it. I'm pretty certain I have Asperger's, but I don't know if I'll qualify as having ASD under the new definition. Then again, I find some of the questions on the online tests difficult to understand, so maybe I'm finding the new definition, as it's proposed to be written, hard to understand. The trouble is that I can't always wrap my mind around the things a question or piece of the definition might mean, and sometimes it's hard for me to think of examples that fall into the right category. I can't seem to realize the range of what's being referred to, for some reason. (Could this be part of what being too literal or lacking imagination mean?) For example, I didn't know I might be stimming, because I don't flap my hands, rock, or rub my hands together. Those were the examples provided, and it didn't even occur to me what else might be considered similar enough. It wasn't until I read many more examples, while reading posts here and reading books, that I realized I might be stimming by bouncing around, shaking my fists, humming repeated sets of notes, rubbing my teeth in the same spot with my tongue all the time, clenching my fists, tensing my jaw with my teeth apart in a way that makes a rumbling sound in my ears, and maybe a bunch of other stuff not springing to mind at this moment (most of these being things others either can't see or wouldn't realize were unusual because of the context in which I allow myself to do them). I also sometimes have a delay in realizing what something might mean or simply in being able to recall examples that might apply.

I think my big worries are these:

1) that I won't get another chance to get assessed;

2) that I won't understand questions, or will have delayed comprehension or memory of examples, and therefore won't be able to answer accurately;

3) that the right questions won't get asked in the first place, so that I'm sunk if I can't think of everything myself;

4) that the person assessing me will dismiss anything I bring up myself;

5) that the degree to which I experience difficulty won't be recognized or taken seriously because of the degree to which I've learned to compensate, mask, and hide so as to appear more "normal";

6) that things that might be spectrum related will be dismissed as related to other conditions, such as depression, anxiety, and even fibromyalgia (all three of these being things I've experienced, but who knows what else will get blamed if they decide to add some other diagnosis that might be really inappropriate, as I'm finding is especially common with women) or even just something like that stupid, "You're a cross-dresser, learn to change your clothes so people won't think you're weird," business all over again.

At least #3, #4, #5, and #6 have already happened the first time around. I'm not sure if #2 did. I don't know if the degree to which these types of things might derail a proper diagnosis will be greater under the new definition of ASD or not.


I was given a standard informal interview while my caretaker (mother) was present about how I was in childhood e.g., how I played, how I socialized, etc.

I was also given some self-reports and some to give to people who knew me well outside of my caretakers. I had a hard time filling out all the questionaires because I didn't understand some of the questions being asked.

I was given the typical autism test of imagined play: I had to 'read' a story, using my own words, as none were provided, just the pictures. I was also given a puzzle to put together, which I didn't complete because I failed to make eye contact to know she was holding it up the whole time. I had to also make a story up using small props.

I also had to talk about how I felt about certain things. I also got to talk more about my perceptions of things, my relationships with others.


I was very nervous myself about the whole process. I also gave her previous psychological evaluations I received for non-verbal learning disorder, which included about 15 different tests notwithstanding the Weschler Adult Intelligence battery.

You need 80% of the 'puzzle' to receive the diagnosis. 8/10 categories need to be filled when they properly assess you. It is best to start thinking about your life as it pertains to what the DSM is inquiring about. Try to reaquaint yourself, with yourself. I am not saying to diagnose yourself, but to simply see all the mishaps you have had through the lens of ASD. Troubles developing peer relationships appropriate with age (I was always the teacher's pet), having the sense that you were always out-of-sync with other people your age, hard time tying shoes, hard time with motor when younger like riding a bike, tying your shoes, or any difficulties with 'potty training' - terrible phrase.

I suggest reading Tony Attwoods guide to Asperger's SYndrome. I know there's a free PDF of it flying our the internet somewhere. It helped me calm my nerves down a lot and jogged my long-term memory, which should be very good if you have AS.

Also it is normal for people with AS to have a hard time filling out forms, questionaires, and that sort of thing. Especially in regards to our internal states. It is normal when given NT questionaires to come up as psychotic, because Freudian psychology still thinks autism is a psychosis. A good psychologist will use these ques as an indicator for autism.



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22 Jan 2012, 12:35 am

I am not worried. From everything I've read, it looks like I will still be included in the diagnosis. Disability services in my state are horrible, for pretty much any disability, so I've gone with little to no help my entire life, and will probably continue that way, even though I have many difficulties because of it.

I'm grateful that I got very little assistance, though. I think it has made me more independent than I would have been, with the assistance.



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22 Jan 2012, 5:53 am

Does it mean that you'll have autistic people and a subset, DSM Autistic people? That would be a bit weird.



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22 Jan 2012, 11:20 am

I live in a specialist care facility for autistic people and I have been assessed under both the current and future DSM standards. In both I meet the criteria for autistic spectrum disorder (or condition as the company prefer to call it...). I did ask my psychologist what the changes in the DSMV will mean for people with diagnosed Aspergers and he told me, 'They will still have their diagnosis of Aspergers.' It is only people getting evaluated after the change that will not receive the AS diagnosis. I've already been diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder anyway so I am not too bothered or worried.


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